07-04-2015, 04:23 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: Toronto
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Canucks Fire Head Trainer Mike Burnstein
Lots of backlash right now in Vancouver after Canucks management fire their head trainer after 20 years of service.
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07-04-2015, 04:24 PM
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#2
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Franchise Player
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Bold moves
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07-04-2015, 04:25 PM
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First Line Centre
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Still skirting around the main issue here I see. Benning isn't capable and needs to go.
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07-04-2015, 04:27 PM
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#4
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: SW Ontario
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I totally expect them to name Dallas Ludwick as their new trainer.
http://www.coach.ca/diving-coach-dal...ations-p144408
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07-04-2015, 04:28 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: San Fernando Valley
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I wonder how long until the "Fire Benning" chants start to become commonplace at Rogers Arena. I think even Oilers fans had less hate for McTavish after one season as Benning has to be one of the most unpopular GM's I've seen in a while amongst his own fan base.
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07-04-2015, 04:40 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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Yeah, Burnstein's the problem.
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07-04-2015, 04:46 PM
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Retired
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I don't know anything about Burnstein's credentials, but teams are starting to adopt a much more scientific approach to training. So expect to see guys with masters and doctorates in their field getting employed by NHL teams and the old guard being let go, similar to what the Flames did last year.
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07-04-2015, 04:55 PM
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#8
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Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CaramonLS
I don't know anything about Burnstein's credentials, but teams are starting to adopt a much more scientific approach to training. So expect to see guys with masters and doctorates in their field getting employed by NHL teams and the old guard being let go, similar to what the Flames did last year.
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Think you're thinking of strength and conditioning coach on the Flames.
Morris Boyer is the head trainer and he's held that since early 2000s.
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07-04-2015, 05:53 PM
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan
Yeah, Burnstein's the problem.
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And his diet isn't that great either.
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07-05-2015, 01:11 AM
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Houston, TX
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I heard he was seen wearing a Flames hat in downtown Vancouver during the 2nd round.
Honestly I met the guy. Have had drinks with him. He's not very polite. Has something negative to say about everybody.
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07-06-2015, 08:19 AM
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In the Sin Bin
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Erick Estrada
I wonder how long until the "Fire Benning" chants start to become commonplace at Rogers Arena. I think even Oilers fans had less hate for McTavish after one season as Benning has to be one of the most unpopular GM's I've seen in a while amongst his own fan base.
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There may not be enough fans in the arena to get any chant going...
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07-06-2015, 09:10 AM
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#12
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Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: North Vancouver, British Columbia.
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The Canucks have had serious injury problems middle to late every season for as long as I can remember. There was one season where four or five players had gone down with groin problems at the same time. I remember a group of people saying something about the training staff needing to figure something out. I wonder if, after a season, Benning saw this aswell and said "Yeah, no."
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07-06-2015, 09:18 AM
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Location: Salmon with Arms
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Blaster86
The Canucks have had serious injury problems middle to late every season for as long as I can remember. There was one season where four or five players had gone down with groin problems at the same time. I remember a group of people saying something about the training staff needing to figure something out. I wonder if, after a season, Benning saw this aswell and said "Yeah, no."
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How does the head trainer impact that?
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07-06-2015, 12:00 PM
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Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: North Vancouver, British Columbia.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist
How does the head trainer impact that?
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An athletic trainer's job is more than just rushing out on to the ice when a guy gets hurt. A part of his job was also designing and monitoring the work-out regimens for players to ensure they don't get hurt in the first place. The implication was that the training staff (that Mark Burnstein was the head of) was not good at this and it played a huge role in the number of muscle-pull and tear related injuries the Canucks would see.
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07-06-2015, 12:03 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Blaster86
An athletic trainer's job is more than just rushing out on to the ice when a guy gets hurt. A part of his job was also designing and monitoring the work-out regimens for players to ensure they don't get hurt in the first place. The implication was that the training staff (that Mark Burnstein was the head of) was not good at this and it played a huge role in the number of muscle-pull and tear related injuries the Canucks would see.
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I thought that was a different department. Like in Calgary they have Van Asten, but the head trainer is kisser of booboo's and plasterer of owies.
That's how I think it works
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07-06-2015, 12:13 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist
I thought that was a different department. Like in Calgary they have Van Asten, but the head trainer is kisser of booboo's and plasterer of owies.
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He's that too. I am under the impression the head trainer's job is also to make sure that the work outs being done aren't causing problems down the line as well. Pre-emptive boo-boo kissing.
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07-06-2015, 09:14 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Blaster86
He's that too. I am under the impression the head trainer's job is also to make sure that the work outs being done aren't causing problems down the line as well. Pre-emptive boo-boo kissing.
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I believe that would tend to be more the responsibility of the Strength and Conditioning Coach Roger Takahashi.
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07-06-2015, 11:03 PM
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Blaster86
An athletic trainer's job is more than just rushing out on to the ice when a guy gets hurt. A part of his job was also designing and monitoring the work-out regimens for players to ensure they don't get hurt in the first place. The implication was that the training staff (that Mark Burnstein was the head of) was not good at this and it played a huge role in the number of muscle-pull and tear related injuries the Canucks would see.
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I believe you are confusing Athletic Trainer and Strength and Conditioning.
S&C design all pre-season, mid-season, post-season work out regimens for the players with a little input from AT if there is a specific injury rehabilitation going on. The only time an AT would create a workout plan is if there is an injury and they are creating a rehabilitation schedule which only involves the injured area and then would have S&C create a plan to round out the rehab training. It is S&C's responsibility to ensure the players are training correctly (Rich Hesketh used to travel to players home countries to ensure they were following and doing the plan correctly, Mo Boyer would never travel for this) and monitoring it.
AT's responsibility in injury prevention is around ensuring that proper bracing/taping/treatment is being applied pre/post event and then to attend to any on/off ice injuries when they happen.
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07-06-2015, 11:15 PM
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#19
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NOT a cool kid
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Calgary
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Could the sleep coach be next? No one seems safe from that tire fire
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07-06-2015, 11:53 PM
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Powerplay Quarterback
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In defense of this move by the canucks, there were a large number of players this year whose neck muscles were not strong enough to fully execute a 'canuck-level' head-snap. That failing falls solely on the head of the training staff. Changes had to be made.
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