[Trade] Wild trade Tuch for Vegas to select Haula. Wild get conditional pick.

[sureLoss]

Bob McKenzie‏Verified account @TSNBobMcKenzie
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In exchange for Haula/prospect, it's believed VGK will lay off exposed Dumba/Scandella/Staal, which means MIN could still trade a D in CHI.

News Update

per Mike Russo:
http://www.startribune.com/wild-s-er...end/429898333/

Erik Haula is Vegas-bound, as well as a prized Wild prospect.

Haula, a speedy former University of Minnesota center, will not only become the one Wild player lost to the expansion Vegas Golden Knights during tonight’s NHL Awards Show and expansion announcement, he’ll become the first – or one of the first – free-agent signings in Golden Knights history, multiple NHL sources say.

Haula, who would have become a restricted free agent July 1, agreed to a multi-year deal with the Golden Knights during their exclusive free-agency window that ended at 7 a.m. Pacific time this morning. That was also the deadline for Vegas to submit its initial 30-player roster to the NHL and sign and submit unprotected free agents.

In exchange for the Golden Knights choosing Haula in expansion and steering clear of, among others, defensemen Matt Dumba and Marco Scandella and center Eric Staal, the Wild has agreed to trade prospect Alex Tuch and a conditional future draft pick to Vegas, sources say.

When I get the complicated details of the pick later today, I’ll report them

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Better be a hell of a prospect

[StrykerSteve]

Makes sense, Vegas needs Centers and he's 26 coming off a 15 goal season.

[Roof-Daddy]

It must be Eriksson Ek

[Geeoff]

Haula always seemed to play well against us. Seems like Vegas is gonna have quite a haula of picks and prospects

[Reign of Fire]

Originally Posted by Geeoff

Haula always seemed to play well against us. Seems like Vegas is gonna have quite a haula of picks and prospects

[Northendzone]

is it just me or do trades like this make a mockery of these protected lists. Trading guys so vegas won't take other guys.....

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Northendzone

is it just me or do trades like this make a mockery of these protected lists. Trading guys so vegas won't take other guys.....

Yeah it's pretty stupid IMO. Vegas doesn't have a roster so I feel they shouldn't be allowed to make trades until they have one in place. The NHL is becoming more CFL by the year with the Richards and Hossa salary cap circumventions and an expansion draft that's more wheeling and dealing than a true draft.

[Regorium]

Originally Posted by Northendzone

is it just me or do trades like this make a mockery of these protected lists. Trading guys so vegas won't take other guys.....

So do the deals happen before the picks happen or how can these trades be conditional?

Basically are these agreements standard NHL trades that are 100% binding?

Like can McPhee take the haul of picks/prospects, and then take Dumba/Vatanen anyways?

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Northendzone

is it just me or do trades like this make a mockery of these protected lists. Trading guys so vegas won't take other guys.....

Not really sure I understand this thinking. Pretty obvious there was going to be a ton of trades. It isn't making a mockery of anything but your expectations

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Yeah, it isn't a mockery of anything, Vegas is free to wheel and deal as it sees fit. I could see the NHL being a little miffed, however, if the Vegas team foregoes too much talent now. The rules were set up so they would be reasonably competitive this year. Not sure how competitive they will be with these deals.

[JayP]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Yeah it's pretty stupid IMO. Vegas doesn't have a roster so I feel they shouldn't be allowed to make trades until they have one in place. The NHL is becoming more CFL by the year with the Richards and Hossa salary cap circumventions and an expansion draft that's more wheeling and dealing than a true draft.

The alternative is that Vegas just selects Dumba and then immediately trades him back to Minnesota for the same haul after the expansion draft. There's no way for the NHL to get around this so they've done the only smart thing and embraced it so everything is above board and there are official trades and not just handshake deals.

[DropIt]

If the prospect isn't Erikson Ek or Tuch this hardly seems worth it

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by DropIt

If the prospect isn't Erikson Ek or Tuchman this hardly seems worth it

Button has Kaprizov, Kunin, and Greenway as top prospects as well

http://www.tsn.ca/test1-1.677389

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Fighting Banana Slug

Yeah, it isn't a mockery of anything, Vegas is free to wheel and deal as it sees fit. I could see the NHL being a little miffed, however, if the Vegas team foregoes too much talent now. The rules were set up so they would be reasonably competitive this year. Not sure how competitive they will be with these deals.

Obviously Vegas is doing what they thing is best for them, based on short term and long term goals.

If they are lest competitive because of these deals in the short term, it should strengthen them to be more competitive in the long term.

treat them like a rebuilding team.

The NHL devised the expansion drafting rules to give them better rosters to wheel and deal as they see fit.

If Vegas wants to sacrifice a bit of now competitiveness, is that any different than what Vancouver is doing (or at least what they should be doing), or what Calgary or many others recently did?

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Obviously Vegas is doing what they thing is best for them, based on short term and long term goals.

If they are lest competitive because of these deals in the short term, it should strengthen them to be more competitive in the long term.

treat them like a rebuilding team.

The NHL devised the expansion drafting rules to give them better rosters to wheel and deal as they see fit.

If Vegas wants to sacrifice a bit of now competitiveness, is that any different than what Vancouver is doing (or at least what they should be doing), or what Calgary or many others recently did?

I agree, they can do what ever they want. I am just saying that the NHL provided the means to Vegas to field a reasonably competitive team, which is a good thing. If they rebuild before they build, it might miff some at the NHL office, because I don't think they want a crappy expansion team like the Sens were. Hopefully Vegas will strike a good balance (and take Brouwer, for immediate veteran presences)

[DropIt]

Originally Posted by Regorium

So do the deals happen before the picks happen or how can these trades be conditional?

Basically are these agreements standard NHL trades that are 100% binding?

Like can McPhee take the haul of picks/prospects, and then take Dumba/Vatanen anyways?

The trades aren't completed until after the draft is over. He can either take the trade or select the players

[GreenLantern2814]

Eric Staal would be the perfect #1C for Vegas for a couple years. Oh well, I'm sure McPhee has planned more of this out than me.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Fighting Banana Slug

I agree, they can do what ever they want. I am just saying that the NHL provided the means to Vegas to field a reasonably competitive team, which is a good thing. If they rebuild before they build, it might miff some at the NHL office, because I don't think they want a crappy expansion team like the Sens were. Hopefully Vegas will strike a good balance (and take Brouwer, for immediate veteran presences)

IMO, Vegas would be crazy to take Brouwer/Stajan in the expansion draft.

Since his contract gives him negative value, they've be better taking a Kulak, then contacting Calgary and say they will trade for Brouwer/Stajan if Calgary gives them a draft pick etc.

Vegas will take on some negative value contracts, but there is a price attached to that.

For some contracts, that price will be high.

I expect the cost for Brouwer and Stajan would be less, as they are useful players, just overpaid.

The trades I'm hearing as rumours aren't hurting Vegas a ton right now. If I was them, I would be willing to forgo something now for something later.

They have a one time opportunity to get a bunch of drafts picks as teams try to be cap compliant. They shouldn't punt that simply to win a few extra meaningless games this year.

[H2SO4(aq)]

Wth? Why wouldn't you just take dumba?