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Old 10-25-2016, 01:14 PM   #1361
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Actually some pretty influential economists (Tyler Cowen, Bryan Caplan etc...) have noted the benefits of a lower-class hooked on pot becoming increasingly accepting of growing income inequality.

So it's not all parody.
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Old 10-25-2016, 01:18 PM   #1362
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Big whiff on that one peter. Follow his account some more to get where the parody thought comes from.
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Big whiff on that one peter. Follow his account some more to get where the parody thought comes from.
Yeah, I know that he is insane, and that he has never read "Average is Over" or any really serious book.
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Old 10-25-2016, 01:54 PM   #1364
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Marijuana not the cash cow people expect? - Kathleen Ganley

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgar...nley-1.3819654

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"It didn't solve all of the problems or become a cash cow the way some of the proponents would suggest," she said. "But it also didn't result in some massive upswing in criminal behaviour the way some detractors suggest," she added.

Tax revenues raised were sufficient to cover the cost of enforcement, she said, with some money left over to cover smaller projects at a municipal level.
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Old 10-25-2016, 05:43 PM   #1365
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Didn't they raise so much money that they had the own version of Ralph bucks?
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Old 10-25-2016, 06:34 PM   #1366
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Even if tax revenue is zero it's still good for the economy to have people employed.
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Old 10-25-2016, 06:51 PM   #1367
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Even if tax revenue is zero it's still good for the economy to have people employed.
And non violent offenders out of jail.
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Paying for enforcement plus some small projects with no discernible effect on increased use?

Sounds like a win to me.

I also don't think we should discount the difference between doing this a solo state in the middle of states where it's still illegal, vs a nation-wide legalization. The effects will be very different.
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And non violent offenders out of jail.
And freeing up the massive amounts of associated judicial system money and time.

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Of the roughly 73,000 police-reported cannabis offences in 2013, nearly 59,000 (80%) were possession offences. In 2013, possession of cannabis accounted for 54% of all police-reported drug crime. While the rate of cannabis possession (168 per 100,000) remained relatively stable from 2012 (+1%), it was 28% higher than it was in 2003, and more than double (+114%) the rate in 1991, when it was at its lowest point. In contrast, police-reported cannabis supply offences (trafficking, importing, exporting, and production) have decreased in recent years (Chart 3A). The rate of cannabis supply offences (41 per 100,000) in 2013 was 10% lower than that of 2012 and 35% below the rate in 2003. With the exception of a peak in the late 1990s and early 2000s, however, the rate of cannabis supply offences has been relatively stable since 1983.
What a huge waste of resources.
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In the US marijuana related drug offenses are in number MUCH higher than any other criminal offense.

I don't think there is even a way to account for that. Annoys the hell out of me when people think they have all the facts of what marijuana legalization will do. It will be a win for sure, but I don't think you can properly measure how big of a win it'll be.

For starters, not charging every single person that is caught with marijuana with possession will take a whole generation before we really start noticing the difference on poverty rates, employment, reduced welfare costs due to better quality of life, more social mobility, no carry over to more serious crime, less violent crimes, etc, etc.

Every single country that has legalized or at least decriminalized marijuana has had massive success. Just strange that someone thinks they can quantify the impact into numbers.
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Old 10-25-2016, 09:54 PM   #1371
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Cant you all see this is a New World Order Plot to keep the masses stoned so they remain complacent in the destruction of our nation and freedoms
Oh God its happening already
Smoke a bowl, man, and put on Netflix. Chillllll.....
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Oh God its happening already
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Old 10-29-2016, 09:43 AM   #1373
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Tax revenues aren't the only reason to legalize it, nor is it the only way the province will make money off of it.

Legalization created 18,000 jobs in Colorado (couldn't find numbers on Washington state), and the reduced burden on the legal system and law enforcement will assuredly reduce costs in those areas.

The only downside really is that you might find all the Doritos sold out next time you go to a 7-Eleven, and every now and then you'll come across those annoying folk who thinks they're Osho because they once saw a sunset whilst high.
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Actually some pretty influential economists (Tyler Cowen, Bryan Caplan etc...) have noted the benefits of a lower-class hooked on pot becoming increasingly accepting of growing income inequality.

So it's not all parody.
The brother of a buddy of mine, who was studying to be a cop in the UK, remarked on a visit how clean the parks were in Calgary, and how refreshing it was to see children playing in them. In cities in the UK, most public places like that are overrun with drunk teens and young adults. I commented that the Canadian counterparts to those punks were at home smoking dope and playing videogames. We agreed that was an improvement for society.

But yeah, if your poor and jobless are pacified with weed and PS4/Netflix/porn, they're not rampaging through the streets burning cars and mugging upstanding taxpayers.
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I was just in Denver. I think the best result of legal weed is that now all the panhandlers are so high that they are really easy to deal with.
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Old 10-30-2016, 06:44 PM   #1376
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From my experience chronic potheads are lazy failures regardless of their pot use, it's an easy crutch for lethargic people to use but it doesn't necessarily make you lethargic or lazy.

I've seen equal distribution between ambitious and lethargic it seems very much like a selection bias. For those people that have trouble relaxing and slowing down it can be quite beneficial for efficiency.
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Old 10-30-2016, 10:56 PM   #1377
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The brother of a buddy of mine, who was studying to be a cop in the UK, remarked on a visit how clean the parks were in Calgary, and how refreshing it was to see children playing in them. In cities in the UK, most public places like that are overrun with drunk teens and young adults. I commented that the Canadian counterparts to those punks were at home smoking dope and playing videogames. We agreed that was an improvement for society.

But yeah, if your poor and jobless are pacified with weed and PS4/Netflix/porn, they're not rampaging through the streets burning cars and mugging upstanding taxpayers.

As a total aside, i can't believe alcohol is legal. It's literally poison.
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As a total aside, i can't believe alcohol is legal. It's literally poison.
Because prohibition didn't work for that either.
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Banff cannabis store busted — along with 9 employees

Marijuana seized along with marijuana concentrate known as shatter

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I'm glad we're still locking people up and giving them records more than a year after this bull#### campaign promise.

Moratorium now please Mr. Trudeau.
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