View Poll Results: Was the suspension length
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02-03-2016, 05:48 PM
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#481
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Sunshine Coast
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They admit he was concussed. IMO he shouldn't be fully responsible for his actions since a concussion shouldn't be left up to the players determination since by the nature of his injury he isn't able to do judge the severity.
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02-03-2016, 05:50 PM
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#482
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dissentowner
Well isn't that convenient... Sounds shady to me but I guess we will never know.
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linesman gets up and drops the puck (before Dennis is back on the ice), finishes the entire game, tells reporters he is fine, then spends the night in hospital and is still injured
seems convenient
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02-03-2016, 05:52 PM
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#483
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Franchise Player
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so what two more weeks before we know what the real suspension is?
Gary will uphold it and then 3rd party
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02-03-2016, 05:54 PM
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#484
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#1 Goaltender
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Not cheering for losses
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sureLoss
Willie Mitchell @Willie_Mitch33
Feel bad for Wideman.Clearly not himself going to bench & puts hands up as he runs into someone(ref)no intent @FriedgeHNIC #rule40.3 or less
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What a homer.
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02-03-2016, 05:57 PM
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#485
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Nachodamus.
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Hahah holy crap Marty..
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Martin Biron @martybiron43 2m2 minutes ago
Martin Biron Retweeted NHL Public Relations
NHL decided rule 40.2 was the answer. Intent to injure but with a new meaning so they don't have to prove the intent
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And Wyshynski's take
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Greg Wyshynski @wyshynski 7m7 minutes ago
NHL drops hammer to appease refs. Bettman confirms suspension. Arbitrator knocks it down to 10. Anyone see it otherwise?
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02-03-2016, 06:00 PM
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#486
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Silicon Valley
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Kind of feel bad as a Flames fan - our player ends up vilified, our training staff look like they f'ed up even though this probably happens more than we think, the overall NHL looks bad with this concussion controversy... lose, lose lose all around. Kind of sad. Easy to blame the overseeing "NHL" entity, but I hope this doesn't all come crashing down on our players and staff, though it inevitably will. We need to get them in the all star game so they can get a feel good story too!
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02-03-2016, 06:02 PM
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#487
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: SW Ontario
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Vulcan
They admit he was concussed. IMO he shouldn't be fully responsible for his actions since a concussion shouldn't be left up to the players determination since by the nature of his injury he isn't able to do judge the severity.
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Oh I see. So he was coherent enough he had the presence of mind to tap his stick on the ice indicating he wanted a line change but he had no understanding about cross checking a linesman from behind. Sure.
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02-03-2016, 06:04 PM
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#488
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In the Sin Bin
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Originally Posted by Phanuthier
Kind of feel bad as a Flames fan - our player ends up vilified, our training staff look like they f'ed up even though this probably happens more than we think, the overall NHL looks bad with this concussion controversy... lose, lose lose all around. Kind of sad. Easy to blame the overseeing "NHL" entity, but I hope this doesn't all come crashing down on our players and staff, though it inevitably will. We need to get them in the all star game so they can get a feel good story too!
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Montreal and their staff were vilified for not taking Nathan Beaulieu out of a game before Christmas where he was knocked out in a fight and clearly did not look right. Frankly, the Flames and their staff deserve the same. So too does the league and the officials association given Henderson should have come out as well.
All sides wanted a half measure. Half measures exist to be taken advantage of.
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02-03-2016, 06:09 PM
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#489
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Some kinda newsbreaker!
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Learning Phaneufs skating style
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The crux of the appeal will be whether being concussed mitigates any of the responsibility and/or intent Wideman had for his own actions.
The NHL doesn't believe it does, the PA disagrees.
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02-03-2016, 06:10 PM
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#490
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Sunshine Coast
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The thing is it looks bad now for Wideman, the Flames and the NHL but if it brings in stronger protocol for treating concussions it will be worth it.
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02-03-2016, 06:14 PM
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#491
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Sunshine Coast
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dissentowner
Oh I see. So he was coherent enough he had the presence of mind to tap his stick on the ice indicating he wanted a line change but he had no understanding about cross checking a linesman from behind. Sure.
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Well in court being intoxicated is a mitigating factor for sentencing of a crime so I don't see why suffering a concussion wouldn't also be a mitigating factor.
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02-03-2016, 06:15 PM
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#492
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Franchise Player
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so what two more weeks before we know what the real suspension is?
Gary will uphold it and then 3rd party
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02-03-2016, 06:16 PM
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#493
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First Line Centre
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sureLoss
The crux of the appeal will be whether being concussed mitigates any of the responsibility and/or intent Wideman had for his own actions.
The NHL doesn't believe it does, the PA disagrees.
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I don't think that's quite it. If he had punched him or went out of his way to hit him the concussion wouldn't matter.
The concussion would just prove he was out of it and there was no intention
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02-03-2016, 06:16 PM
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#494
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Calgary, AB
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Ekblad was concussed in Edmonton a couple of weeks ago and didn't undergo the concussion protocol, then he missed 4 games.
Clearly, the stricter protocol isn't strict enough.
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02-03-2016, 06:17 PM
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#495
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Franchise Player
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how can the league justify giving him the longest suspension in NHL history for abuse of official to the arbitrator?
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02-03-2016, 06:17 PM
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#496
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by getbak
Ekblad was concussed in Edmonton a couple of weeks ago and didn't undergo the concussion protocol, then he missed 4 games.
Clearly, the stricter protocol isn't strict enough.
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good point
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02-03-2016, 06:24 PM
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#497
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Vancouver
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Passe La Puck
It's interesting that the NHL intentionally avoids showing alternate video angles which make the incident look much less severe. No matter which side you take, you can't just look at half the "evidence".
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I was asked by a poster earlier if I thought the NHL didn't have all the angles of the play. Apparently they didn't, or chose to ignore the other one.
Pretty damning to the NHL that they won't even utilize all the information available to try to make the correct determination. I said it earlier and I'll say it again -- the NHL is incompetent. The severity of this suspension is unwarranted when you take all angles and facts into consideration. That explanation video is completely unprofessional IMO because I've seen the other footage. Its no better than a hysterical and selective tweet on the internet.
Frankly if they just gave him 5 games everything would be done and everyone would move on. But they've opened up a can of worms with the appeal and now concussion protocol questions.
The NHL is a complete joke sometimes.
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02-03-2016, 06:24 PM
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#498
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First Line Centre
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But what are clubs supposed to do when a player refuses to leave the bench? Get some guys to drag him away? Tell the coach and then have him not play a shift until the end of the period?
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02-03-2016, 06:25 PM
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#499
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In the Sin Bin
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dino7c
how can the league justify giving him the longest suspension in NHL history for abuse of official to the arbitrator?
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It was actually only the fourth longest in NHL history for abuse of an official.
And the league can justify it because the parameters set by rule 40.2 say 20 games for contact with intent, and the league has decided there was contact with intent.
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02-03-2016, 06:27 PM
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#500
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aka Spike
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: The Darkest Corners of My Mind
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JJ1532
But what are clubs supposed to do when a player refuses to leave the bench? Get some guys to drag him away? Tell the coach and then have him not play a shift until the end of the period?
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Pretty much.
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