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blankall · 01-31-2013, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Should have traded Dion about 6 months sooner, during the summer of 2009, for blue chip prospects and/or high draft picks.

Woulda, coulda, shoulda......

Disagree.

You have to remember the excitement after the JBo signing. It looked like we had 3 potential Team Canada level defencemen: JBo, Phanuef, and Regehr. They all excelled, and were potentially the best, at a different area of the game.

Who could've predicted that the NHL had passed Regehr by, JBo offence woud fall off, and Phaneuf would be exposed for the total bonehead he is.

That being said, even at the end of the season when Phaneuf was traded, he could have been packaged for a solid young offensive forward. A much better way to add "depth" than 2 middle of the road forwards. We weren't going to trade Phaneuf for picks and prospects as we were in "Win now" mode.

Phaneuf at that point could have easily brought back a JVR, Chris Stewart, or James Neal type of player, and maybe some change too. Phaneuf was no longer the type of player who would've brought back Patrick Kane, but we could have done much better than Stajan and Hagman....Sutter was just too focussed on having more experience and "character" in the lineup. The formula had worked when we brought in Nilson, Nieminem, Simon, etc...Very poor judgement by Sutter.

$ven27 · 01-31-2013, 10:05 AM

Our team could be completely different if we didn't trade him for basically crap. I remember hearing reports that a lot of GM's didn't even know he was available. I also remember a Philly report saying they might have been willing to deal Jeff Carter or Richards for Phaneuf.
But, I suppose we wouldn't have Sven or Gaudreau (most likely) if we got a different deal.

afc wimbledon · 01-31-2013, 10:07 AM

IMHO the problem with the trade was not so much the return or results, the fact that Sutter realised he needed to move Dion was just a sign that the team needed a full top down rebuild.
Hindsight is always 20/20 but at that point if Sutter felt he needed to move Dion Iggy and Kipper should have gone to.

North East Goon · 01-31-2013, 10:10 AM

I remeber Darryl sutter being spotted at a Flyers game with Holmgren just a few days before this deal went down. He must not have liked what Holmgren was offering. The only way to rationalize it was Darryl panicked.

Bertuzzied · 01-31-2013, 10:10 AM

The Anton is greater than The Dion.

Stajan sucks though so the trade is a wash.

Tinordi · 01-31-2013, 10:10 AM

Should have started the rebuild three years ago, instead we've still be out of the playoffs for three years with nothing to show for it.

AltaGuy · 01-31-2013, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

Hindsight is always 20/20 but at that point if Sutter felt he needed to move Dion Iggy and Kipper should have gone to.

I still wake up in cold sweats thinking about how Darryl Sutter could've mangled trading Kipper or Iggy.

"The Calgary Flames have traded Jarome Iginla to Pittsburgh for Kunitz, some fourth liner, and a 3rd round pick."

Joborule · 01-31-2013, 10:13 AM

Leafs didn't get what they wanted, so it was a loss for both. But considering what they gave up to get Phaneuf, it isn't that much of a loss. They're getting the worth they gave up.

Bertuzzied · 01-31-2013, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Tinordi

Should have started the rebuild three years ago, instead we've still be out of the playoffs for three years with nothing to show for it.

blah blah blah.

We got to watch meaningful hockey for those 3 years. Which is better than 1 meaningful day in June.

timbit · 01-31-2013, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by blankall

Disagree.

You have to remember the excitement after the JBo signing. It looked like we had 3 potential Team Canada level defencemen: JBo, Phanuef, and Regehr. They all excelled, and were potentially the best, at a different area of the game.

Who could've predicted that the NHL had passed Regehr by, JBo offence woud fall off, and Phaneuf would be exposed for the total bonehead he is.

That being said, even at the end of the season when Phaneuf was traded, he could have been packaged for a solid young offensive forward. A much better way to add "depth" than 2 middle of the road forwards. We weren't going to trade Phaneuf for picks and prospects as we were in "Win now" mode.

Phaneuf at that point could have easily brought back a JVR, Chris Stewart, or James Neal type of player, and maybe some change too. Phaneuf was no longer the type of player who would've brought back Patrick Kane, but we could have done much better than Stajan and Hagman....Sutter was just too focussed on having more experience and "character" in the lineup. The formula had worked when we brought in Nilson, Nieminem, Simon, etc...Very poor judgement by Sutter.

Still not convinced that Sutter was totally to blame for the return the Flames received. Various King comments and the ownership's mandate to be a playoff team superceding intermediate and longterm growth probably had some significant impact.

AR_Six · 01-31-2013, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Tinordi

Should have started the rebuild three years ago, instead we've still be out of the playoffs for three years with nothing to show for it.

Or as Downgoesbrown posted yesterday in their "NHL Panic Watch" column,

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Calgary Flames

Why it might be time to panic: Well, if we’re getting technical, 2009 was the time to panic. But for reasons nobody outside of the Flames organization has ever understood, the franchise refuses to rebuild and seems intent on yet another season as a bubble team — not quite good enough for the playoffs, but not quite bad enough for a top pick. Ask a Leafs fan how that strategy works out, if you can find one sober enough to communicate.
Why they shouldn’t: Not a single team in the Northwest went into Monday night’s action over .500, so it’s not like the division is running away from them. And Jarome Iginla’s been ice-cold to start the year, which can’t last much longer.
The panic scale: 9/10 if you’re a fan, but apparently 1/10 if you’re the front office.

http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-tr...hl-panic-watch

Tinordi · 01-31-2013, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Bertuzzied

blah blah blah.

We got to watch meaningful hockey for those 3 years. Which is better than 1 meaningful day in June.

What a effin joke this sentiment is.

Meaningful games? Are you kidding me?

This is how deluded we've become as a fan base?

AR_Six · 01-31-2013, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Tinordi

This is how deluded we've become as a fan base?

Look at whose post you just quoted.

Cleveland Steam Whistle · 01-31-2013, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Bertuzzied

blah blah blah.

We got to watch meaningful hockey for those 3 years. Which is better than 1 meaningful day in June.

We did?

Bertuzzied · 01-31-2013, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Tinordi

What a effin joke this sentiment is.

Meaningful games? Are you kidding me?

This is how deluded we've become as a fan base?

I'm glad you are no longer pretending to be a Flames fan. I'd rather be fighting for a playoff spot than wanting to lose to get a high draft pick.

Besides any other coach other than Sutter would have gotten us into the playoffs.

Bertuzzied · 01-31-2013, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by AR_Six

Look at whose post you just quoted.

Figures. One canuck fan sticking up for another.

Can't wait for you to disappear into your easter break.

Bertuzzied · 01-31-2013, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

We did?

So you didn't watch one single game from game 65 to game 81 last year?

Cleveland Steam Whistle · 01-31-2013, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Bertuzzied

I'm glad you are no longer pretending to be a Flames fan. I'd rather be fighting for a playoff spot than wanting to lose to get a high draft pick.

Besides any other coach other than Sutter would have gotten us into the playoffs.

The point being, exactly how engaged we were in those playoff battles is pretty subjective. The Flames have "realistically" fallen out of the playoff picture far to early for my liking to feel the way you do. Needing to string together long win streaks that the team has not shown the propensity to be able to do down the home stretch doesn't translate to true meaningful games to me.

Cleveland Steam Whistle · 01-31-2013, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Bertuzzied

So you didn't watch one single game from game 65 to game 81 last year?

I did, I bet a lot of Oilers fans did to.

Tinordi · 01-31-2013, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Bertuzzied

I'm glad you are no longer pretending to be a Flames fan. I'd rather be fighting for a playoff spot than wanting to lose to get a high draft pick.

Besides any other coach other than Sutter would have gotten us into the playoffs.

Respectfully, go screw yourself. Just because I'm critical of the organization doesn't make me any less of a fan.

Infact, I could turn the tables on you and question your loyalty. What do you really care about? I care about winning a cup, you seem to care about not being the Oilers so you can continue on your petty, insignificant, unfunny rival-based taunts. I think it's all that much more pathetic that that's what you seem to care about instead of the ultimate prize.

So who's the real fan?