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Old 05-04-2017, 09:52 PM   #41
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Instead of an opinion thread, isn't there a way to objectively determine this? Look up the stats, sort out the crappy ones.
Worst SV% of a goalie in a season with at least 42 starts in the 21st century:
Jose Theodore, .882 and a GAA 3.41 for Montreal in 2005-06.

Worst GAA:
Olie Kolzig, Washington Capitals 2005-06, 3.53 in 59 GP. (SV% .896)

Neither was generally speaking a terrible goalie.

I think John Grahame, TBL 2005-06 is a strong contender for the worst. Defending Stanley Cup champion team goes from 103 points (with Khabibulin) to 92 points and a first round exit with Grahame.

Grahame had a SV% of .889 in 57 regular season games, which was 4th worst this century, and .847 in 4 playoff games. His GAA of 4.76 in the playoffs was the worst in a decade (for goalies with at least 4 games in a playoff season) and easily the worst this century. That was his only season with 30+ starts.

Btw, never realized it back then, but 2005-06 saw some terrible numbers for starting goalies

Four of the six worst SV% in this century in that one year (Grahame, Theodore, Khabibulin for Chicago and Nabokov for San Jose).

Or to put it another way:
Number of goalies with at least 42 GP and a SV% under .900 per season:
2003-04: 2
2005-06: 11
2006-07: 6
Total between 2007-2017: 14

I guess the lockout had it's biggest effect on goalies. Increases my respect for guys like Hasek, Kipper and Lundqvist who had great years.

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Old 05-04-2017, 11:01 PM   #42
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Worst SV% of a goalie in a season with at least 42 starts in the 21st century:
Jose Theodore, .882 and a GAA 3.41 for Montreal in 2005-06.

Worst GAA:
Olie Kolzig, Washington Capitals 2005-06, 3.53 in 59 GP. (SV% .896)

Neither was generally speaking a terrible goalie.

I think John Grahame, TBL 2005-06 is a strong contender for the worst. Defending Stanley Cup champion team goes from 103 points (with Khabibulin) to 92 points and a first round exit with Grahame.

Grahame had a SV% of .889 in 57 regular season games, which was 4th worst this century, and .847 in 4 playoff games. His GAA of 4.76 in the playoffs was the worst in a decade (for goalies with at least 4 games in a playoff season) and easily the worst this century. That was his only season with 30+ starts.

Btw, never realized it back then, but 2005-06 saw some terrible numbers for starting goalies

Four of the six worst SV% in this century in that one year (Grahame, Theodore, Khabibulin for Chicago and Nabokov for San Jose).

Or to put it another way:
Number of goalies with at least 42 GP and a SV% under .900 per season:
2003-04: 2
2005-06: 11
2006-07: 6
Total between 2007-2017: 14

I guess the lockout had it's biggest effect on goalies. Increases my respect for guys like Hasek, Kipper and Lundqvist who had great years.
Dan Cloutier played 351 games and had a career save % of .899.

That's not great for a backup, and his career save percentage in the playoffs for the Canucks was .872%.

Horrific.

Some guys might have had worse seasons, But I think it'd be tough to find a guy that was deployed as long as Cloutier as a starter that had a worse career.
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Worst SV% of a goalie in a season with at least 42 starts in the 21st century:
Jose Theodore, .882 and a GAA 3.41 for Montreal in 2005-06.

Worst GAA:
Olie Kolzig, Washington Capitals 2005-06, 3.53 in 59 GP. (SV% .896)

Neither was generally speaking a terrible goalie.

I think John Grahame, TBL 2005-06 is a strong contender for the worst. Defending Stanley Cup champion team goes from 103 points (with Khabibulin) to 92 points and a first round exit with Grahame.

Grahame had a SV% of .889 in 57 regular season games, which was 4th worst this century, and .847 in 4 playoff games. His GAA of 4.76 in the playoffs was the worst in a decade (for goalies with at least 4 games in a playoff season) and easily the worst this century. That was his only season with 30+ starts.

Btw, never realized it back then, but 2005-06 saw some terrible numbers for starting goalies

Four of the six worst SV% in this century in that one year (Grahame, Theodore, Khabibulin for Chicago and Nabokov for San Jose).

Or to put it another way:
Number of goalies with at least 42 GP and a SV% under .900 per season:
2003-04: 2
2005-06: 11
2006-07: 6
Total between 2007-2017: 14

I guess the lockout had it's biggest effect on goalies. Increases my respect for guys like Hasek, Kipper and Lundqvist who had great years.
In 2005-06, sneezing on someone was a penalty. At the start of the season, some teams were getting around 15 PP opportunities per game.
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i feel like Roman Checkmanek could be a reasonable canidate
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Johan Holmqvist. I'd never even heard of him until clicking the stats link (5th worst sv pct season).

https://www.nhl.com/player/johan-holmqvist-8466303

Only other name I'd never seen before was Milan Hnilicka - his NHL profile doesn't even have a picture.
https://www.nhl.com/player/milan-hnilicka-8458584 . To be fair, the combined DNA of Roy/Hasek/Brodeur probably would have still been a train wreck in Atlanta 2001.
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You'd be hard pressed to find a worse goalie than 2015 Jonas Hiller.
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i feel like Roman Checkmanek could be a reasonable canidate
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No he wasn't. He had one season that wasn't garbage, and even that one was only okay.
Started for team USA in 2006 Olympics, drafted first overall. Yeah worst goalie in 21st century...
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i feel like Roman Checkmanek could be a reasonable canidate
Uhhhhh, no.

2nd in both sv pct and gaa over a three season span. Actually, he's still 2nd in both categories over 4 year span, including his below average final year
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What about Rick DiPietro?
He get's $*** on a lot but he wasn't all that bad. He battled through injuries which basically cut his career short, not to mention mental health issues that followed.
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The most recent nine-goal pasting comes courtesy the Boston Bruins, who racked up six goals over the opening 24:15 to send sad Leland Irving to the bench (see sad feature image). The Bruins used a balanced offensive attack, as seven players scored and 12 had at least one point. But Boston showed no such variety in which Calgary Flames players to pick on – specifically defenseman Chris Butler, who finished a career-worst minus-7.


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i feel like Roman Checkmanek could be a reasonable canidate
I never understood this. The media bitched about him too just because he had an awkward stance and they just couldn't get past it. He was still one of the best goalies in the league while he was here.
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I never understood this. The media bitched about him too just because he had an awkward stance and they just couldn't get past it. He was still one of the best goalies in the league while he was here.
I figured he got the bad rep because he didn't get it done in the playoffs.

He is like 17 out of 22 goalies (who played over ten games) in save percentage from 2001-2003 in the playoffs.

Dan Cloutier was last place.
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I wish Leland Irving had succeeded. I was really hoping he would around 2007-09.
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The only acceptable answer here is Dan Cloutier.
Agreed. With Alex Auld a close second.
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Did they have to hold the starting job for the entire season? If not, Grant Fuhr for the Flames (1999-2000) is a candidate.

Mike Vernon for the Flames (2000-01) is also a candidate with his .883 save percentage.

And nobody's mentioned 2014-15 Ben Scrivens?
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And nobody's mentioned 2014-15 Ben Scrivens?
He deserves a medal for putting up with that Oiler team and somehow posting a 890sv%.
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Worst SV% of a goalie in a season with at least 42 starts in the 21st century:
Jose Theodore, .882 and a GAA 3.41 for Montreal in 2005-06.

Worst GAA:
Olie Kolzig, Washington Capitals 2005-06, 3.53 in 59 GP. (SV% .896)

Neither was generally speaking a terrible goalie.

I think John Grahame, TBL 2005-06 is a strong contender for the worst. Defending Stanley Cup champion team goes from 103 points (with Khabibulin) to 92 points and a first round exit with Grahame.

Grahame had a SV% of .889 in 57 regular season games, which was 4th worst this century, and .847 in 4 playoff games. His GAA of 4.76 in the playoffs was the worst in a decade (for goalies with at least 4 games in a playoff season) and easily the worst this century. That was his only season with 30+ starts.
Well yeah, you can pick a single stat like GAA or SV% and pick a goalie and you might end up picking someone who was actually pretty decent (like Kolzig).

I was thinking you'd have to get a bit more technical with it. Massive spreadsheet, weighting each individual 'stat' category based on how predictive that stat is in determining whether or not a goaltender is considered good relative to his peers, etc. Lots of crunching but could be a neat brain exercise. Or you could use R, I guess.
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