05-04-2017, 09:52 PM
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#41
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Franchise Player
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Helsinki, Finland
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Originally Posted by TorqueDog
Instead of an opinion thread, isn't there a way to objectively determine this? Look up the stats, sort out the crappy ones.
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Worst SV% of a goalie in a season with at least 42 starts in the 21st century:
Jose Theodore, .882 and a GAA 3.41 for Montreal in 2005-06.
Worst GAA:
Olie Kolzig, Washington Capitals 2005-06, 3.53 in 59 GP. (SV% .896)
Neither was generally speaking a terrible goalie.
I think John Grahame, TBL 2005-06 is a strong contender for the worst. Defending Stanley Cup champion team goes from 103 points (with Khabibulin) to 92 points and a first round exit with Grahame.
Grahame had a SV% of .889 in 57 regular season games, which was 4th worst this century, and .847 in 4 playoff games. His GAA of 4.76 in the playoffs was the worst in a decade (for goalies with at least 4 games in a playoff season) and easily the worst this century. That was his only season with 30+ starts.
Btw, never realized it back then, but 2005-06 saw some terrible numbers for starting goalies
Four of the six worst SV% in this century in that one year (Grahame, Theodore, Khabibulin for Chicago and Nabokov for San Jose).
Or to put it another way:
Number of goalies with at least 42 GP and a SV% under .900 per season:
2003-04: 2
2005-06: 11
2006-07: 6
Total between 2007-2017: 14
I guess the lockout had it's biggest effect on goalies. Increases my respect for guys like Hasek, Kipper and Lundqvist who had great years.
Last edited by Itse; 05-04-2017 at 10:02 PM.
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05-04-2017, 11:01 PM
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#42
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Itse
Worst SV% of a goalie in a season with at least 42 starts in the 21st century:
Jose Theodore, .882 and a GAA 3.41 for Montreal in 2005-06.
Worst GAA:
Olie Kolzig, Washington Capitals 2005-06, 3.53 in 59 GP. (SV% .896)
Neither was generally speaking a terrible goalie.
I think John Grahame, TBL 2005-06 is a strong contender for the worst. Defending Stanley Cup champion team goes from 103 points (with Khabibulin) to 92 points and a first round exit with Grahame.
Grahame had a SV% of .889 in 57 regular season games, which was 4th worst this century, and .847 in 4 playoff games. His GAA of 4.76 in the playoffs was the worst in a decade (for goalies with at least 4 games in a playoff season) and easily the worst this century. That was his only season with 30+ starts.
Btw, never realized it back then, but 2005-06 saw some terrible numbers for starting goalies
Four of the six worst SV% in this century in that one year (Grahame, Theodore, Khabibulin for Chicago and Nabokov for San Jose).
Or to put it another way:
Number of goalies with at least 42 GP and a SV% under .900 per season:
2003-04: 2
2005-06: 11
2006-07: 6
Total between 2007-2017: 14
I guess the lockout had it's biggest effect on goalies. Increases my respect for guys like Hasek, Kipper and Lundqvist who had great years.
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Dan Cloutier played 351 games and had a career save % of .899.
That's not great for a backup, and his career save percentage in the playoffs for the Canucks was .872%.
Horrific.
Some guys might have had worse seasons, But I think it'd be tough to find a guy that was deployed as long as Cloutier as a starter that had a worse career.
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05-04-2017, 11:07 PM
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#43
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Voted for Kodos
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Itse
Worst SV% of a goalie in a season with at least 42 starts in the 21st century:
Jose Theodore, .882 and a GAA 3.41 for Montreal in 2005-06.
Worst GAA:
Olie Kolzig, Washington Capitals 2005-06, 3.53 in 59 GP. (SV% .896)
Neither was generally speaking a terrible goalie.
I think John Grahame, TBL 2005-06 is a strong contender for the worst. Defending Stanley Cup champion team goes from 103 points (with Khabibulin) to 92 points and a first round exit with Grahame.
Grahame had a SV% of .889 in 57 regular season games, which was 4th worst this century, and .847 in 4 playoff games. His GAA of 4.76 in the playoffs was the worst in a decade (for goalies with at least 4 games in a playoff season) and easily the worst this century. That was his only season with 30+ starts.
Btw, never realized it back then, but 2005-06 saw some terrible numbers for starting goalies
Four of the six worst SV% in this century in that one year (Grahame, Theodore, Khabibulin for Chicago and Nabokov for San Jose).
Or to put it another way:
Number of goalies with at least 42 GP and a SV% under .900 per season:
2003-04: 2
2005-06: 11
2006-07: 6
Total between 2007-2017: 14
I guess the lockout had it's biggest effect on goalies. Increases my respect for guys like Hasek, Kipper and Lundqvist who had great years.
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In 2005-06, sneezing on someone was a penalty. At the start of the season, some teams were getting around 15 PP opportunities per game.
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05-04-2017, 11:21 PM
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#44
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Crash and Bang Winger
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Antigonish, NS
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i feel like Roman Checkmanek could be a reasonable canidate
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05-05-2017, 07:03 AM
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#46
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Franchise Player
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You'd be hard pressed to find a worse goalie than 2015 Jonas Hiller.
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05-05-2017, 07:26 AM
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#47
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Franchise Player
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like pucks thru cloutier's pads, these are the flames of our lives.....
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05-05-2017, 07:44 AM
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#48
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Lifetime Suspension
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Originally Posted by 3rd line Grinder
i feel like Roman Checkmanek could be a reasonable canidate
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why?
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05-05-2017, 08:39 AM
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#49
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Lifetime Suspension
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: North America
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Originally Posted by codynw
No he wasn't. He had one season that wasn't garbage, and even that one was only okay.
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Started for team USA in 2006 Olympics, drafted first overall. Yeah worst goalie in 21st century...
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05-05-2017, 09:51 AM
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#50
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 3rd line Grinder
i feel like Roman Checkmanek could be a reasonable canidate
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Uhhhhh, no.
2nd in both sv pct and gaa over a three season span. Actually, he's still 2nd in both categories over 4 year span, including his below average final year
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05-05-2017, 10:09 AM
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#51
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Scoring Winger
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Originally Posted by ToewsFan
What about Rick DiPietro?
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He get's $*** on a lot but he wasn't all that bad. He battled through injuries which basically cut his career short, not to mention mental health issues that followed.
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05-05-2017, 12:53 PM
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#52
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First Line Centre
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Not a starter but...
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The most recent nine-goal pasting comes courtesy the Boston Bruins, who racked up six goals over the opening 24:15 to send sad Leland Irving to the bench (see sad feature image). The Bruins used a balanced offensive attack, as seven players scored and 12 had at least one point. But Boston showed no such variety in which Calgary Flames players to pick on – specifically defenseman Chris Butler, who finished a career-worst minus-7.
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https://www.thescore.com/news/712054
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05-05-2017, 01:04 PM
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#53
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First Line Centre
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 3rd line Grinder
i feel like Roman Checkmanek could be a reasonable canidate
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I never understood this. The media bitched about him too just because he had an awkward stance and they just couldn't get past it. He was still one of the best goalies in the league while he was here.
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05-05-2017, 01:11 PM
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#54
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Redrum
I never understood this. The media bitched about him too just because he had an awkward stance and they just couldn't get past it. He was still one of the best goalies in the league while he was here.
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I figured he got the bad rep because he didn't get it done in the playoffs.
He is like 17 out of 22 goalies (who played over ten games) in save percentage from 2001-2003 in the playoffs.
Dan Cloutier was last place.
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05-05-2017, 01:35 PM
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#55
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Lifetime Suspension
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I wish Leland Irving had succeeded. I was really hoping he would around 2007-09.
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05-05-2017, 01:47 PM
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#56
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Income Tax Central
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Originally Posted by Oil Stain
The only acceptable answer here is Dan Cloutier.
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Agreed. With Alex Auld a close second.
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05-05-2017, 03:15 PM
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#57
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Did they have to hold the starting job for the entire season? If not, Grant Fuhr for the Flames (1999-2000) is a candidate.
Mike Vernon for the Flames (2000-01) is also a candidate with his .883 save percentage.
And nobody's mentioned 2014-15 Ben Scrivens?
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05-05-2017, 04:18 PM
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#58
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Retired
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: Back in Guelph
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Originally Posted by Hockey Fan #751
And nobody's mentioned 2014-15 Ben Scrivens?
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He deserves a medal for putting up with that Oiler team and somehow posting a 890sv%.
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05-05-2017, 04:42 PM
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#59
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: Canterbury, NZ
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Scrivezina
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05-05-2017, 06:28 PM
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#60
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Calgary - Centre West
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Itse
Worst SV% of a goalie in a season with at least 42 starts in the 21st century:
Jose Theodore, .882 and a GAA 3.41 for Montreal in 2005-06.
Worst GAA:
Olie Kolzig, Washington Capitals 2005-06, 3.53 in 59 GP. (SV% .896)
Neither was generally speaking a terrible goalie.
I think John Grahame, TBL 2005-06 is a strong contender for the worst. Defending Stanley Cup champion team goes from 103 points (with Khabibulin) to 92 points and a first round exit with Grahame.
Grahame had a SV% of .889 in 57 regular season games, which was 4th worst this century, and .847 in 4 playoff games. His GAA of 4.76 in the playoffs was the worst in a decade (for goalies with at least 4 games in a playoff season) and easily the worst this century. That was his only season with 30+ starts.
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Well yeah, you can pick a single stat like GAA or SV% and pick a goalie and you might end up picking someone who was actually pretty decent (like Kolzig).
I was thinking you'd have to get a bit more technical with it. Massive spreadsheet, weighting each individual 'stat' category based on how predictive that stat is in determining whether or not a goaltender is considered good relative to his peers, etc. Lots of crunching but could be a neat brain exercise. Or you could use R, I guess.
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