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[photon]

Not having evidence either way doesn't make a belief a belief, and it's not facts vs beliefs.

Belief is the state of mind in which a person thinks something is true, facts may or may not have something to do with how one arrived at the belief.

How one forms their beliefs is epistemology.

One may strive to arrive at and support their beliefs via facts, or accept them by being told by others, etc.

I think belief despite no evidence either way is a flawed epistemology.

[Kipper is King]

Originally Posted by Illuminaughty

Are you questioning the omnipotence of the Easter Bunny?

Eggsecute them!

[DuffMan]

Originally Posted by DiracSpike

You're a pretty frustrating person to try and have a discussion with. So I'm gonna stop trying.

It's a free country, do as you please.

[Flames_Gimp]

According to the bible, when was earth or the universe created?

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Flames_Gimp

According to the bible, when was earth or the universe created?

With a contextual interpretation of the bible it does not comment on the age of the universe

[Dion]

[2Stonedbirds]

Originally Posted by DuffMan

It's a free country, do as you please.

If you believed this, you wouldn't be in here bitching incessantly.

Keep your eyes peeled for priests, spring time makes em frisky I hear.

[sworkhard]

Originally Posted by photon

Not having evidence either way doesn't make a belief a belief, and it's not facts vs beliefs.

Belief is the state of mind in which a person thinks something is true, facts may or may not have something to do with how one arrived at the belief.

How one forms their beliefs is epistemology.

One may strive to arrive at and support their beliefs via facts, or accept them by being told by others, etc.

I think belief despite no evidence either way is a flawed epistemology.

I don't agree with your definition of epistemology.

Epistemology is how one comes to know something, which is usually defined as a warranted or justified true belief.

You can believe things with no justification; so long as you don't claim this belief is true, no justification is required.

This is effectively what Illuminaughty is saying; he can't prove it's true, but believes it due to wishful thinking and because he thinks it adds meaning to his life (which is actually backwards, it adds meaning to his life because he believes it, but I'll ignore that). This is of course a terrible reason to believe something, but it's close to a good defense. A good defense of religious belief is that "Things just make more sense to me this way". Similarly, the only reasonable defense I've seen for belief in God (regardless of if God exists) is a variant of "Things just make more sense to me with God than without God". This claim is often made with reference to a particular religious experience, but even without such a reference, it's a reasonable statement.

As such, it's fine to believe things with no or very poor evidence. It's not fine to try claim that you know that what you believe is true on the same grounds.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Say what? You rag on Islamic countries all the time.

Do I?

[Minnie]

Bah nvm. Too many tools.

[DuffMan]

Originally Posted by 2Stonedbirds

If you believed this, you wouldn't be in here bitching incessantly.

Keep your eyes peeled for priests, spring time makes em frisky I hear.

I have facial hair, too old and not attractive to priests anymore. :sad face:

[Cheese]

Originally Posted by Illuminaughty

Wow, only in the modern day West could Atheists claim to be victims of Theistic oppression. We truly are overrun with people drunk on social justice and Marxist dogma.

It's interesting, I asked you if you were an Atheist or just anti-Religion, you responded that you don't believe in "my God", then proceeded to rant on about Christianity. I think your view has very little to do with God's existence and more to do with your anti-Religion position, specifically anti-Christian. You don't know me or what I believe and I'm pretty sure I haven't forced any view on you. So how could you know the nature of what I actually believe pertaining to "my God"? I think asking for evidence or concrete proof of what someones belief is, is foolish, that's what makes them beliefs after all.

Pertaining to God's existence, who knows...... These are metaphysical questions and nobody can say one way or another with any degree of certainty. I personally choose to believe because I think it gives life more meaning and purpose, plus it's a nice thought to think there is something after we die.

You are also committing the dreaded "genetic fallacy", claiming that the only reason that people still believe in God or Religion is because they are indoctrinated as youth by priests and their parents. The argument could just as easily be made that when people are being forced something, they tend to rebel away from it. People are complex and both are true for different people.

The problem is some Atheists take their position to the extreme and make it an Ideology, essentially fighting against one belief system while adopting another. Seems counter productive and serves as proof that Ideologies are dangerous.

this is your quote not mine:

Man, what's with the travesty with you and most vocal atheists online? Reading some of things you have posted reaffirms the notion that atheists were some of the first SJW's. Atheists are some of the most angry and easily triggered community on the internet.

Why is simply not believing in God enough for you? If you in fact lack belief, (if it's even possible) why does it seem to be one of the most defining principles in your life? For example, some people might believe that Taylor Swift is the best musician ever, I don't share that same belief and simply not believing is enough for me. I wouldn't constantly bring it up to everyone that will listen or throw it in the faces of her fans who believe that. You make simply not believing complicated, which suggest you might have an agenda and a belief system of your own. Are you sure you are an atheist, or are you anti-Religion?

Its all pretty angry and pointedly argumentative, hence my response. Nowhere in the body of your email did you ask the question: I asked you if you were an Atheist or just anti-Religion. You did ask me"Why is simply not believing in God enough for me? I was pretty direct about the fact that "your God" does not exist in my life and the proof of burden lies on you to explain otherwise. It is clear in your responses to others in this thread that your belief, whatever it is, is based solely on faith and because "you feel" that answer is adequate you demand that I, and others of the same ilk, accept your belief.
How about you believe in the invisible abominable snowman in my garage, he has promised me that when I die everyone that believes in him will live in a land where money doesn't exist yet have all of the sustenance they need, everyone is happy with their life because that is all they have, there are no wars based on "belief systems", everyone is equal including LGBT and women, children are not forced to believe in dogma that they do not understand, no children are raped by those that push belief systems, there is no punishment for not believing nonsense and science is understood to be the way answers are derived?

On your knees for the great Yeti!

[photon]

Originally Posted by sworkhard

Epistemology is how one comes to know something, which is usually defined as a warranted or justified true belief.

You can believe things with no justification; so long as you don't claim this belief is true, no justification is required.

Agree, that's kind of what I meant by flawed epistemology (sorry was on my phone). One can try and have blind faith as an epistemology but it's flawed; it can't show beliefs as being justified.

[OMG!WTF!]

I still don't know if the god folks think it's ok to have gsa's at their schools. Textcritic almost answered that one but not quite. Maybe I missed an actual answer in the blabbittyblablah somewhere.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by OMG!WTF!

I still don't know if the god folks think it's ok to have gsa's at their schools. Textcritic almost answered that one but not quite. Maybe I missed an actual answer in the blabbittyblablah somewhere.

Are you asking for my personal opinion? Of course I support the establishment of gsas in schools. I expect that I am still in the minority among Evangelicals, but the group of proponents is growing rapidly.

[MoneyGuy]

I also support GSAs in schools.

[DuffMan]

Originally Posted by MoneyGuy

I also support GSAs in schools.

you'll go to hell.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by DuffMan

you'll go to hell.

Now you're just being a dick.

[DuffMan]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Now you're just being a dick.

why?

there's 2 ways to look at this.

1. lots of religious people would think the same thing.

2. Lighten up Francis.

[calgaryblood]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Do I?

Are you being sarcastic?