Israel declares war on Hamas

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

Don't worry, the Zionists themselves are jerking off to it in their massive TG channels dedicated to mocking the dead.

Spoilered for dead people and a complete lack of humanity.

Spoiler!

https://twitter.com/user/status/1775162156792631334

Guess we know where the pro-Israel crew hangs out when they can’t find some reason to defend or cheer on brutally killing innocent people sorry, I mean when they find this conversation all so “pointless and aggravating.”

[Zary's-Mustache]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

Don't worry, the Zionists themselves are jerking off to it in their massive TG channels dedicated to mocking the dead.

Spoilered for dead people and a complete lack of humanity.

Spoiler!

https://twitter.com/user/status/1775162156792631334

I've watched countless videos of ordinary Israelis mocking the dead Gazans. Yesterday watched one where an Israeli was pretending to eat a dead Gaza child.

It's sickening and no media has picked up on these videos not surprisingly.

[Fuzz]

Yup.

[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

I have to say that I really disagree with the strategy outlined above.

First of all, using Palestinian lives in this way makes Hamas no better than the Israeli government... both have now shown a disregard for Palestinian (read: human) lives through their actions. Creating a situation where you can say to the world 'See, they're as bad as we said they were' is a tough way to make your point that the Israeli government clearly has no care, concern, or respect for Palestinian lives. Being proven right about Israeli government policy costs (and is costing) Palestinian lives.

Second, there was never going to be a result where the Israeli government *didn't* kill thousands of Palestinians. Trying to thread that needle of putting the actions of the Israeli government in the spotlight while averting Palestinian death was never going to be possible. The Israeli government isn't some special collection of humans... they're humans just like everyone else. And at their root, they're capable of unadulterated violence just like humans always are.

[Fuzz]

But Hammas doesn't really have preservation of life as a goal. They have one goal, which makes it a lot easier for them to see it to the end, whatever that end turns out to be. That Israel would walk into that just shows how predictable the Israeli warmongers are. It also shows Israel is leveraging this situation for their other goals.


When were the most recent hostages actually rescued? According to this, it was February 12th.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel...risis#Timeline


Now, plenty more bombs have been dropped and people killed since then. So either the IDF are absolute #### at their job, or it isn't really much of goal. Because once they hostages are all "rescued" the "release the hostages" demands hold no weight, an Israel has even less justification to carry out their plans.

[Zary's-Mustache]

Saw a video of 2 of the charity workers with smiles on their faces helping ordinary starving people and then an image of them in pieces in body bags. Absolutely sickening.

[WCW Nitro]

If Israel starting its actions by blocking food and water didn't convince anyone maybe all the intentional killing of aid/medical workers will finally show people that the goal of Israel is to kill civilians and anyone who tries to help them.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by WCW Nitro

If Israel starting its actions by blocking food and water didn't convince anyone maybe all the intentional killing of aid/medical workers will finally show people that the goal of Israel is to kill civilians and anyone who tries to help them.

Do you think it’s intent or indifference?

You block food and water because it might help Hamas and don’t care about the civilian casualties. You know aid workers are in the area but you don’t care because you have an air strike opportunity.

I lean indifference because intent seems like a poor strategy.

[Zary's-Mustache]

Originally Posted by GGG

Do you think it’s intent or indifference?

You block food and water because it might help Hamas and don’t care about the civilian casualties. You know aid workers are in the area but you don’t care because you have an air strike opportunity.

I lean indifference because intent seems like a poor strategy.

It's 100% intent. You don't coordinate with the Israeli army then have your convoy blown up by Israel because they had another opportunity.

You don't kill 75% of all journalists killed worldwide in the last year (during russian ukraine war as well)if you're not intending for that to happen. Israel just recently killed a Hamas member in Lebanon with a drone in a single room in a building. They have the intelligence to make these killings but choose to inflict maximum damage.

[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

Originally Posted by GGG

Do you think it’s intent or indifference?

You block food and water because it might help Hamas and don’t care about the civilian casualties. You know aid workers are in the area but you don’t care because you have an air strike opportunity.

I lean indifference because intent seems like a poor strategy.

There is no ambiguity to blocking food and water. We know what happens to every human when they don’t have those two things.

Indifference doesn’t exclude intent. Indifference is defined by a lack of concern about the outcome, not confusion about the action and its outcome.

There are a lot of complicated questions concerning this conflict. However the one around withholding food and ‘intent’ is easily answered.

[Fuzz]

If by "indifference" you mean "#### 'em. drop the bombs" then ya, I guess that's indifference.

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by Zary's-Mustache

It's 100% intent. You don't coordinate with the Israeli army then have your convoy blown up by Israel because they had another opportunity.

You don't kill 75% of all journalists killed worldwide in the last year (during russian ukraine war as well)if you're not intending for that to happen. Israel just recently killed a Hamas member in Lebanon with a drone in a single room in a building. They have the intelligence to make these killings but choose to inflict maximum damage.

The bolded was confirmed in the article that was shared, so yes, 100% agree. The travel was already coordinated with Israel lol. It was totally intentional.

[Bagor]

You can't believe everything you see.

It's all one big Hamas photoshop job.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1775112976913121629

[Fuzz]

####ing monsters.

[activeStick]

Pretty chilling article that goes through how Israel has used AI that killed innocent Palestinians, including entire families.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...mas-airstrikes

In addition to talking about their use of the AI system, called Lavender, the intelligence sources claim that Israeli military officials permitted large numbers of Palestinian civilians to be killed, particularly during the early weeks and months of the#conflict.

Several of the sources described how, for certain categories of targets, the IDF applied pre-authorised allowances for the estimated number of civilians who could be killed before a strike was authorised.

Two sources said that during the early weeks of the war they were permitted to kill 15 or 20 civilians during airstrikes on low-ranking militants. Attacks on such targets were typically carried out using unguided munitions known as “dumb bombs”, the sources said, destroying entire homes and killing all their occupants.

“You don’t want to waste expensive bombs on unimportant people – it’s very expensive for the country and there’s a shortage [of those bombs],” one intelligence officer said. Another said the principal question they were faced with was whether the “collateral damage” to civilians allowed for an attack.

“Because we usually carried out the attacks with dumb bombs, and that meant literally dropping the whole house on its occupants. But even if an attack is averted, you don’t care – you immediately move on to the next target. Because of the system, the targets never end. You have another 36,000 waiting.”

[Leondros]

Well color me shocked with all of this news coming out we haven't heard from any of the good guy gang of Blankall, Bonin-ho, Naga, Language Manahattan, or Doctor F. Would love to hear their perspective (twisting) on the recent articles and incidents.

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by Leondros

Well color me shocked with all of this news coming out we haven't heard from any of the good guy gang of Blankall, Bonin-ho, Naga, Language Manahattan, or Doctor F. Would love to hear their perspective (twisting) on the recent articles and incidents.

I'm a little surprised we haven't. I honestly would have thought they'd have curated the media they snort to exclude any reality from penetrating their bubble of support for mass murder, property destruction and terror.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Leondros

Well color me shocked with all of this news coming out we haven't heard from any of the good guy gang of Blankall, Bonin-ho, Naga, Language Manahattan, or Doctor F. Would love to hear their perspective (twisting) on the recent articles and incidents.

Israel has admitted that they struck the aid convoy. I don't see what's to gain from "debating" that here.

I've made it clear I don't post as much in this thread, because it's devolved into personal attacks and a pointless lack of debate. If those personal attacks, including this point, were toned down, I (and I assume others) would post more.

[undercoverbrother]

I don't believe the attack on the aid was intentional by IDF "High Command" .

I think it was negligent, stupid and horrific.

I do not think it as intentional.

[Bagor]

Originally Posted by blankall

I've made it clear I don't post as much in this thread, because it's devolved into personal attacks and a pointless lack of debate. If those personal attacks, including this point, were toned down, I (and I assume others) would post more.

Or because you've been exposed as a liar again and again and again.