Friedman: Gaudreau negotiations will be put on hold during World Cup

[ResAlien]

I can't wait until this is over so I can praise Brad for doing a great job or vilify Burke for doing a terrible one.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

Why did he purchase insurance for himself then? A negotiate tactic?

I'm not full on panicking, but wtf Flames and Johnny? Make a deal, sheesh.

He purchased insurance because not doing so would be nonsensical.

And whatever that insurance is worth, it's not going to cover the entirety of a $50M contract.

They're close. Now we have a soft deadline, and a player with essentially zero leverage given his RFA rights has some.

If Johnny Gaudreau isn't locked up long term before September 4, I'll change my avatar to Donald Trump.

[Finger Cookin]

Originally Posted by ResAlien

I can't wait until this is over so I can praise Brad for doing a great job or vilify Burke for doing a terrible one.

Why not both?

[nik-]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

He purchased insurance because not doing so would be nonsensical.

And whatever that insurance is worth, it's not going to cover the entirety of a $50M contract.

They're close. Now we have a soft deadline, and a player with essentially zero leverage given his RFA rights has some.

If Johnny Gaudreau isn't locked up long term before September 4, I'll change my avatar to Donald Trump.

This assumption has been made all summer. It's not obvious in any way that "they're close".

If they were close, the signings would have been done after the comparibles were signed this summer.

[Galakanokis]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Yes, does anyone think this is a coincidence that this comes out the day after Burke took a hardline stance on TSN?

What did Burke say? I have missed that.

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

He purchased insurance because not doing so would be nonsensical.

And whatever that insurance is worth, it's not going to cover the entirety of a $50M contract.

They're close. Now we have a soft deadline, and a player with essentially zero leverage given his RFA rights has some.

If Johnny Gaudreau isn't locked up long term before September 4, I'll change my avatar to Donald Trump.

Signature material right there.

[TheScorpion]

The last Flames player holdout I can remember was with a future superstar player traded three years later for a prospect nobody had ever heard of with a red-haired coach fired shortly after. So let's not have that happen again.

[Dr. Doom]

Queue ugly turn for the worst!

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by EVERLAST

How is this crap happening ? We've lost great players before as a result of this kind of stuff.

I hate reading into things but wow this doesn't seem good at all....is Burke somehow calling the shots here for Brad to play hardball with JG.

Burke does not call the shots. This is pretty obvious.

Who have we lost in the modern era because of something like this? Murray Edwards hasn't failed to back the money truck up for anyone post 2004.

Dion Phaneuf: paid.
Miikka Kiprusoff: paid.
Jarome Iginla: paid.
Daymond Langkow: paid.
Mark Giordano: paid.
TJ Brodie: paid.
Dougie Hamilton: paid.
Dennis Wideman: PAID.

But Johnny Gaudreau is his bridge too far? Please.

Brad Treliving knows what he's doing.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by EVERLAST

How is this crap happening ? We've lost great players before as a result of this kind of stuff.

I hate reading into things but wow this doesn't seem good at all....is Burke somehow calling the shots here for Brad to play hardball with JG.

To be clear, NOTHING has happened yet, and while I think the recent comments by Burke and now this from Gaudreau's camp do provide some hint of the complexity of this negotiation, there is really nothing here at this stage to compare to instances in the past in which players have left the Flames.

To answer your question, no, I do not believe that Burke is "calling the shots here for Brad," and yes, Brad is indeed playing hardball, and he has already proven to be pretty damn good at it. I interpret Burke's comments as a form of posturing that likely does not reveal anything about the current negotiations beyond his hope that contracts are forthcoming and affordable. Let's not forget how often Burke's public statements are at odds with what actually has transpired in Flames Hockey Ops.

[spuzzum]

The timing of this announcement is just illogical and foolish. Hey Johnny, three weeks from now, we don't want to talk to you. Let's make sure to get nothing done before hand. It's only three weeks.

[Kjesse]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Burke does not call the shots. This is pretty obvious.

Who have we lost in the modern era because of something like this? Murray Edwards hasn't failed to back the money truck up for anyone post 2004.

Dion Phaneuf: paid.
Miikka Kiprusoff: paid.
Jarome Iginla: paid.
Daymond Langkow: paid.
Mark Giordano: paid.
TJ Brodie: paid.
Dougie Hamilton: paid.
Dennis Wideman: PAID.

But Johnny Gaudreau is his bridge too far? Please.

Brad Treliving knows what he's doing.

I'm sure someone else will have the time to refute the above better than I this afternoon, but you've listed some contracts which were very team friendly. I wouldn't call those "paid". In the case of Brodie in particular, "bargain" would be the better tag.

EDIT: And its been said, but that this is in the media is only because Burke was in the media yesterday. Also, those posters that talked about setting a deadline, are spot on. That's exactly what that was about even if the deadline isn't really until he has to report for duties with the Flames.

[Robo]

What is the most gaudreau could insure himself for?

[underGRADFlame]

Agent vs. GM

I just wish they would talk and keep the crap out of the media.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by nik-

This assumption has been made all summer. It's not obvious in any way that "they're close".

There have been several public statements from the Flames, Gaudreau's camp, and Monahan's to suggest that they are indeed close.

If they were close, the signings would have been done after the comparibles were signed this summer.

Of course, "close" can be interpreted in a number of ways, and the fine points of a complex negotiation can quite often take the longest to sew up. Quite to the contrary, when players and teams are indeed at great odds on matters of term and dollars this information is frequently reported in the media, and there has been nothing at all posited this summer of there being any significant distance between sides in this negotiation.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Delgar

I'm sure someone else will have the time to refute the above better than I, but you've listed some contracts which were very team friendly. I wouldn't call those "paid". In the case of Brodie in particular, "bargain" would be the better tag.

The point is to name an important player we lost due to mishandling a negotiation or seriously undervaluing or devaluing a player ie Nieuwendyk.

Cammalleri is the closest I can think and we just couldn't afford him. Sutter didn't tank the negotiation, he chose to sign Bouwmeester instead.

Losing Gaudreau would be literally unprecedented.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

The last Flames player holdout I can remember was with a future superstar player traded three years later for a prospect nobody had ever heard of with a red-haired coach fired shortly after. So let's not have that happen again.

Iginla attended training camp one year without a contract. It was a different time under a different CBA, but I would equate that with a modern version of a "holdout."

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Iginla attended training camp one year without a contract. It was a different time under a different CBA, but I would equate that with a modern version of a "holdout."

Savard came after. His was before the 2000-01 season, Iginla's was the year previous.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

There have been several public statements from the Flames, Gaudreau's camp, and Monahan's to suggest that they are indeed close.


Of course, "close" can be interpreted in a number of ways, and the fine points of a complex negotiation can quite often take the longest to sew up. Quite to the contrary, when players and teams are indeed at great odds on matters of term and dollars this information is frequently reported in the media, and there has been nothing at all posited this summer of there being any significant distance between sides in this negotiation.

Close to me is .5 to 1 mil apart on dollars. When the problem is years, especially when some of the years stretch into UFA, it's not really close. Indications seem to be that that is the sticking point.

[Bill Bumface]

I find myself thinking about Derek Morris a lot these days...