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Old 03-21-2013, 08:52 PM   #41
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But Ellis was still on the ice so it wasn't an empty net.


My god. That would have been funny to see the refs try and figure out.
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Old 03-21-2013, 09:03 PM   #42
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Anyone see what happened in the leafs sabres game? What did kaleta do this time?

And please tell me he got beat up
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Old 03-21-2013, 09:13 PM   #43
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Anyone see what happened in the leafs sabres game? What did kaleta do this time?

And please tell me he got beat up
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Old 03-21-2013, 09:16 PM   #44
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Anyone see what happened in the leafs sabres game? What did kaleta do this time?

And please tell me he got beat up
Kaleta didn't do anything this game - Orr pretty much jumped him.

Not that he still didn't deserve it.
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Old 03-21-2013, 09:28 PM   #45
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But Ellis was still on the ice so it wasn't an empty net.

Hrm, totally missed that.....then that's a totally valid question, no clue.
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Make a save, score a goal. Classic Brodeur!
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Old 03-21-2013, 11:08 PM   #47
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Old 03-22-2013, 03:06 PM   #48
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Here's a question. If Dan Ellis had thrown his stick at the puck to knock it away from the net, would Brodeur have been awarded a penalty shot on Ellis? I'm pretty sure the answer is yes.
A penalty shot is awarded when someone throws their stick. But the team that is awarded the penalty shot gets to pick any player they want to take the shot that was on the ice at thet time of the infraction. So the Devils would get to pick one of their 5 skaters to take the penalty shot

An interesting thing is that if the ref was going to award the Canes a penalty shot on the delayed penalty and then Ellis throws his stick, what would happen to the Devils penalty shot if the Canes scored on theirs? I would assume the Canes get to shoot first because the Devils infraction occured first. I know if the Canes dont score then the Devils will take their shot but what would happen if the Canes scored? There can't be two goals scored on one stoppage of play so I think the Devils would just get a power play (unsportsmanlike conduct to Ellis) then. Which wouldn't be too bad since they'd be on a two man advantage.

If that happened, it would be fun to hear in on the refs discussion
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Here's a question. If Dan Ellis had thrown his stick at the puck to knock it away from the net, would Brodeur have been awarded a penalty shot on Ellis? I'm pretty sure the answer is yes.
automatic goal to interfere on an empty net.
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automatic goal to interfere on an empty net.
This was covered directly under the post you quoted. The net wasn't empty, Ellis was still on ice.
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shot off the boards....like an air hockey goal but still an own goal. cool stuff!

future all star game should have a segment of all-goalie game...see how Brodeur does when he plays out.
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A penalty shot is awarded when someone throws their stick. But the team that is awarded the penalty shot gets to pick any player they want to take the shot that was on the ice at thet time of the infraction. So the Devils would get to pick one of their 5 skaters to take the penalty shot

An interesting thing is that if the ref was going to award the Canes a penalty shot on the delayed penalty and then Ellis throws his stick, what would happen to the Devils penalty shot if the Canes scored on theirs? I would assume the Canes get to shoot first because the Devils infraction occured first. I know if the Canes dont score then the Devils will take their shot but what would happen if the Canes scored? There can't be two goals scored on one stoppage of play so I think the Devils would just get a power play (unsportsmanlike conduct to Ellis) then. Which wouldn't be too bad since they'd be on a two man advantage.

If that happened, it would be fun to hear in on the refs discussion
Although in the case of throwing an object, the penalty shot is actually awarded to the player who the infraction is against.

http://www.nhl.com/ice/page.htm?id=26345

53.6 Penalty Shot - When any member of the defending team, including the Coach or any non-playing person, throws or shoots any part of a stick or any other object or piece of equipment at the puck or puck carrier in his defending zone, the Referee or Linesman shall allow the play to be completed and if a goal is not scored, a penalty shot shall be awarded to the non-offending team. This shot shall be taken by the player designated by the Referee as the player fouled.

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53.7 Awarded Goal - If, when the opposing goalkeeper has been removed, a member of the defending team, including theCoach or any non-playing person, throws or shoots any part of a stick or any other object or piece of equipment at the puck or puck carrier in the neutral or his own defending zone, thereby preventing the puck carrier from having a clear shot on an “open net”, a goal shall be awarded to the attacking side.

For the purpose of this rule, an “open net” is defined as one from which a goalkeeper has been removed for an additional attacking player. The goalkeeper is considered off the ice once the replacement player has entered the playing surface.

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Although in the case of throwing an object, the penalty shot is actually awarded to the player who the infraction is against.

http://www.nhl.com/ice/page.htm?id=26345

53.6 Penalty Shot - When any member of the defending team, including the Coach or any non-playing person, throws or shoots any part of a stick or any other object or piece of equipment at the puck or puck carrier in his defending zone, the Referee or Linesman shall allow the play to be completed and if a goal is not scored, a penalty shot shall be awarded to the non-offending team. This shot shall be taken by the player designated by the Referee as the player fouled.

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53.7 Awarded Goal - If, when the opposing goalkeeper has been removed, a member of the defending team, including theCoach or any non-playing person, throws or shoots any part of a stick or any other object or piece of equipment at the puck or puck carrier in the neutral or his own defending zone, thereby preventing the puck carrier from having a clear shot on an “open net”, a goal shall be awarded to the attacking side.

For the purpose of this rule, an “open net” is defined as one from which a goalkeeper has been removed for an additional attacking player. The goalkeeper is considered off the ice once the replacement player has entered the playing surface.
you are correct if the goalie is in the net.It is an awarded goal if the net is empty. 100 percent.
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you are correct if the goalie is in the net.It is an awarded goal if the net is empty. 100 percent.
In this case, the goalie was in the net. The replacement player wasn't on the ice yet. There he is right there:



He totally should have thrown his stick at the puck.
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spirit of the law. Awarded goal
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Old 03-22-2013, 07:09 PM   #56
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But Brodeur isn't the one being fouled. No one would be near the thrown stick
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Old 03-22-2013, 07:32 PM   #57
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Cammalleri, Tanguay both -3.

Worst 'leadership' guys ever. And despite leading the team in points, I actually think Tanguay is more detrimental to the team being on it than helpful. Probably the most invisible scoring leader I've ever seen.
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