06-27-2017, 01:48 PM
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Norm!
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Originally Posted by HappyGilmore
Hope he heads out East. Wouldn't want someone like the Oil getting him. I feel if he's out East it'll be less of a hit
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I would expect that if the Oilers see a 4.5 ask they're out.
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06-27-2017, 01:49 PM
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#42
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Originally Posted by Mean Mr. Mustard
That is a recipe for disaster. Forcing prospects to elevate their game in the NHL setting in a sink or swim manner can be done if there is one of them and their partner is a veteran who can cover for mistakes, but to have two of them on a roster is asking for trouble.
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Also, an injury or two to the top four, and all of a sudden you have 3-4 rookie defensemen in your line up.
That's how you send the Islanders a lottery pick.
Better to get a decent veteran for the bottom pairing.
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06-27-2017, 01:49 PM
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#43
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Some kinda newsbreaker!
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Learning Phaneufs skating style
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Quote:
Originally Posted by StrykerSteve
Engelland signed for 1M.
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$1 million in salary + $1 million in performance bonuses
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06-27-2017, 01:50 PM
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#44
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Ass Handler
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Okotoks, AB
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Originally Posted by sureLoss
$1 million in salary + $1 million in performance bonuses
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Semantics!
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06-27-2017, 01:55 PM
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Lifetime Suspension
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Uncool, Stone. Your wifey wants to hang around I bet. Stay and be part of a good thing here!
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06-27-2017, 01:58 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Originally Posted by StrykerSteve
Engelland signed for 1M.
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Engelland makes $2M for the year, which is all he signed for. Which, with taxes, is probably about $2.5M Calgary would have to pay, not counting the fact he probably gave a home town discount to LV.
If Stone signed for $2M in Calgary, I'd be just fine with it. Even a little more. But I think Stone want's twice that.
Still, there's hope. Look at Russell last year. His ask was more than what people were willing to pay and he wound up having to take way less at the end of the summer. Versteeg is another example. Sometimes the market is a harsh teacher, and Stone's overall stats last year sucked. I think he's valued most highly in Calgary because he played well for a quarter season here.
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06-27-2017, 02:03 PM
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First Line Centre
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Good job by Treliving not getting fooled by the PDO spike this time. Dodging Stone gives me even more confidence in management than I already had, which was quite a bit. Stone is a #5/6 at best. Now don't ruin that by chasing Alzner.
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06-27-2017, 02:03 PM
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#48
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Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sureLoss
$1 million in salary + $1 million in performance bonuses
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I'm imagining the bonuses are along the lines of games played.
It still makes his AAV $2M according to capfriendly.
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06-27-2017, 02:07 PM
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#1 Goaltender
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I would love to get Stone for 3.5 x 3. Having him on the bottom pairing would really solidify our group.
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06-27-2017, 02:10 PM
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Ass Handler
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Okotoks, AB
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Don't be greedy, Michael. Be a part of what Tre is putting together here, could be a winning formula and that's what it's all about. You'll still be a millionaire regardless. But being a millionaire Cup champ is priceless.
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06-27-2017, 02:14 PM
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Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Income Tax Central
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I like Stone and all and would love to see him shore up our D, but that price is straight-up out of the question.
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06-27-2017, 02:16 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Calgary, AB
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Quote:
Originally Posted by StrykerSteve
Don't be greedy, Michael. Be a part of what Tre is putting together here, could be a winning formula and that's what it's all about. You'll still be a millionaire regardless. But being a millionaire Cup champ is priceless.
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Your career could end at any time. Never take a discount. Get max value on every contract you negotiate.
Don't blow it. Keep it simple. Count yo money.
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06-27-2017, 02:20 PM
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#53
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Quote:
Originally Posted by StrykerSteve
Don't be greedy, Michael. Be a part of what Tre is putting together here, could be a winning formula and that's what it's all about. You'll still be a millionaire regardless. But being a millionaire Cup champ is priceless.
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F that.
All the free agents would sign in Pittsburgh if that's how they thought, and that's the last thing we need.
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06-27-2017, 02:22 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Originally Posted by Oil Stain
F that.
All the free agents would sign in Pittsburgh if that's how they thought, and that's the last thing we need.
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But of course McDavid will take a discount to "build a winner". 
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06-27-2017, 02:28 PM
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#55
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Originally Posted by sureLoss
Treliving already said his preferred usage was to have two kids in the top 7. One on the bottom pairing and one as the 7th d-man.
He is looking for a more veteran player for the 3rd pairing.
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Someone like a Kyle Quincey or Matt Hunwick, perhaps. Along those lines.
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06-27-2017, 02:32 PM
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Good on him for trying to get the best contact he can. I would be willing to do 3 or 3.5 to stabilize the bottom pairing, even out the workload, and depth for injuries. It all depend if there's a team out there that thinks he's a bona fide top 4 and have the ability to pay for that...
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06-27-2017, 03:32 PM
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Elliotte made several allusions yesterday to a prospect defenseman the Flames refused to include in the Hamonic deal, instead opting to include an extra 2nd round pick.
The obvious choices are Kylington and Andersson, and I'm leaning more towards OK for his ceiling... Anybody know anything else about this?
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06-27-2017, 03:35 PM
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#58
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch
I would expect that if the Oilers see a 4.5 ask they're out.
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The rate the Oilers are paying defence, Stone would get a 5.5 million offer from them.
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Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814
Elliotte made several allusions yesterday to a prospect defenseman the Flames refused to include in the Hamonic deal, instead opting to include an extra 2nd round pick.
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Anybody know anything else about this?
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I would think it was Fox. It's been mentioned a few times on the forum that teams seem to be slipping him into deals the same way they used to with Gaudreau before he signed his ELC.
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06-27-2017, 03:36 PM
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#59
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Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Vancouver
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It doesn't surprise me about Stone. He would be 5th on the depth chart and the salary he would command just wouldn't fit the structure.
We have a great top 4, but we are paying for it.
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06-27-2017, 03:39 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814
Elliotte made several allusions yesterday to a prospect defenseman the Flames refused to include in the Hamonic deal, instead opting to include an extra 2nd round pick.
The obvious choices are Kylington and Andersson, and I'm leaning more towards OK for his ceiling... Anybody know anything else about this?
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There was a rumour that Garth Snow was after Fox, but Treliving wasn't having any of it.
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