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Old 04-27-2012, 10:35 AM   #21
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I am pretty sure it is through auto trader.

Thanks for confirming my suspicions.
However, dont hesitate to send 'em a nasty response email and tell them exactly what you think of them
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Old 04-27-2012, 10:36 AM   #22
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Make a fake email and pretend to be some car sales agent helping your father. Then play around with this guy and waste his time. Google scambaiter for tips.
Couple of years ago a friend showed me an example of that on a private forum (otherwise I would have posted it here).

I was in tears laughing. It was a nigerian scam for a dog and the buyer strung him along telling him the dog was for his dying niece IIRC. They guy led on the scammer for weeks. Each new email would have a more hilarious sob story. He went so far as to claim he sent the money thru Western Union and the scammer would get all mad when he'd go to collect his money and there was no actual transfer. It was golden.
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Old 04-27-2012, 10:36 AM   #23
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Just tell them that you don't have a paypal account so it would be better if they sent the money to their pickup agent who could cash it and make the exchange. That should clear it up right away.

As for the scam portion, because it is a car would you have any recourse if you reported the car stolen?
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Old 04-27-2012, 10:36 AM   #24
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This is the same thing as getting an email from a widow who randomly chose you to share $50 billion with.
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Old 04-27-2012, 10:37 AM   #25
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It looks like a scam.

Have some fun with it though. See if you can access your dad's account and screw around with the guy.
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Old 04-27-2012, 10:38 AM   #26
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Couple of years ago a friend showed me an example of that on a private forum (otherwise I would have posted it here).

I was in tears laughing. It was a nigerian scam for a dog and the buyer strung him along telling him the dog was for his dying niece IIRC. They guy led on the scammer for weeks. Each new email would have a more hilarious sob story. He went so far as to claim he sent the money thru Western Union and the scammer would get all mad when he'd go to collect his money and there was no actual transfer. It was golden.
Yeah i know the forum you are talking about. It's a great read when you need a laugh or two. Anyone can PM if you want the name of the site.
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Old 04-27-2012, 10:41 AM   #27
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Hello trusty CP braintrust,

My old man is selling his car, he got the following email.

I've used Paypal but not extensively. I checked a few older threads (including PIMking's thread where he got screwed on his camera but that was ebay).

Is this a scam? Does it sound like a scam?


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Yea, working out at sea as a Somali Pirate maybe. Automatic scam sensor alerts are commas with no space after it, inconsistent grammar and english level throughout, they will use an "agent", they tell you automatically to go setup a Paypal/online pay account if you don't already have one, and they have no access to phone/internet/carrier pigeons but miraculously saw your ad online.
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Old 04-27-2012, 10:41 AM   #28
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Yea, working out at see as a Somali Pirate maybe. Automatic scam sensor alerts are commas with no space after it, inconsistent grammar and english level throughout, they will use an "agent", they tell you automatically to go setup a Paypal/online pay account if you don't already have one, and they have no access to phone/internet/carrier pigeons but miraculously saw your ad online.

haha. that never dawned on me. Good point.
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Old 04-27-2012, 10:42 AM   #29
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I googled a couple of the sentences in the email, and this thread from Paypal was right at the top: https://www.paypal-community.com/t5/...am/td-p/104606

100% a scam.
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Old 04-27-2012, 10:42 AM   #30
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I am a member of that site... why is it private?
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Old 04-27-2012, 10:52 AM   #31
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I am a member of that site... why is it private?

I'm guessing that the place I found it is not where you guys saw it. I'm not saying it hasn't been reposted elsewhere, just where I saw it wasn't public.

The forum my friend posted me was a german forum. Or people trying to be german or of german descent. I forget what the deal was but it was in an area of the forum that was private.
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Old 04-27-2012, 10:55 AM   #32
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oh... 419eater.com has tons of good stories
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Old 04-27-2012, 11:03 AM   #33
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I'm still not getting how the scam works. Other than that from the link, once you said you had PayPal the guy then asks you to wire HIM money so that he can arrange the pick-up agent to come by?
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Old 04-27-2012, 11:11 AM   #34
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The scam works because the guy himself (or a friend) will pick up the car after the money has 'cleared' paypal, but it will either be charged back on the credit card/nsf by the bank/from a stolen paypal account/etc so even though the money is in your account and you can pull it out, when paypal gets stiffed they pull the money from your account. The window for this is quite small, so if someone was to arrange pickup for one day, and you delayed it a few days or a week, you could be more more sure than the money would there for good. There might be some really good ways to extend that windows that I am not aware of, so I wouldn't try this for any large sum.

People believe it because eBay always hyped up how paypal is secure, can't get ripped off because they guarantee transactions etc, but the reality is those services only work for ebay purchases. In fact, you often have much less recourse using paypal to pay than using your Visa straight out, because then you have an option to chargeback if they scam you. If you use paypal, then you pay the money to paypal and they pay it to someone else, so chargeback is not an option.
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Old 04-27-2012, 11:14 AM   #35
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I'm still not getting how the scam works. Other than that from the link, once you said you had PayPal the guy then asks you to wire HIM money so that he can arrange the pick-up agent to come by?
I was confused by that too since he isn't going to actually acquire your car, all he's doing is stringing you along.

This is what appears to happen: You agree to sell him the vehicle. Then, in the next communication he realizes that the pick-up agent needs to be paid $1000 and won't accept PayPal payments, so he asks if he could send you an extra $1500 (to cover the $1000, plus $500 for your trouble) in his PayPal payment and have you send the $1000 to the pick-up agent. So, he gives you the information on where to send the money and once you do, you'll never hear from him again. If he does send anything through PayPal, it will be with fraudulent or stolen information, so you'll never get the money and you'll be out the $1000 you sent to the "pick-up agent".
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The real perplexing part of this is that Cecil actually is wondering if this is a scam, so much so that I think Cecil is putting us on by pretending he isn't sure this is a scam.

As soon as it gets to 'I am ready to buying it', its 100% unequivocably a scam. Didn't need to read the rest.
Are you suggesting Cecil is in fact scamming us as he sits back in his chair laughing hysterically in that maniacal Sideshow Bob sort of way???
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Are you suggesting Cecil is in fact scamming us as he sits back in his chair laughing hysterically in that maniacal Sideshow Bob sort of way???
No way. He hates Bob way too much to laugh like him.
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The real perplexing part of this is that Cecil actually is wondering if this is a scam, so much so that I think Cecil is putting us on by pretending he isn't sure this is a scam.

As soon as it gets to 'I am ready to buying it', its 100% unequivocably a scam. Didn't need to read the rest.
I know it seems obvious but I still wanted to check with CP. The part that was getting me was how he this could be a scam. The explanations so far on how this type of scam would work, likely would have meant even if my dad had responded it probably wouldn't have gone much further. He's not a genius like me but he's certainly no dummy. He emailed me asking if it was a scam and I said probably but that I'd check with CP first. Once again, thanks for confirming my suspicions (except Sliver, he's a dick).

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Seems legit.
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Hello trusty CP braintrust,

My old man is selling his car, he got the following email.

I've used Paypal but not extensively. I checked a few older threads (including PIMking's thread where he got screwed on his camera but that was ebay).

Is this a scam? Does it sound like a scam?


TIA.
Hmmm that PayPal thing sounds like a scam. Just give me your name and credit card number and I'll ensure you get paid for this.
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