[Trade] Wild trade Tuch for Vegas to select Haula. Wild get conditional pick.

[Lord Carnage]

Originally Posted by DropIt

Haula + Tuch + pick seems worth much more than Dumba

I agree... in this case. Its the evaluation of Quantity vs Quality.

Will any of those pieces end up being better than Dumba? Without knowing the pick, I'm not sure Haula or Tuch will... but with the situation that Vegas is in, its one of those times that you could argue Quantity > Quality.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by DropIt

Haula + Tuch + pick seems worth much more than Dumba

To a team contending like Minny, Dumba likely has more value.

For a rebuilding team, I like what vegas got. Something for now, something for later.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Northendzone

is it just me or do trades like this make a mockery of these protected lists. Trading guys so vegas won't take other guys.....

I don't know if I would use the word mockery, but I don't really like it either. I don't like teams trading for "promises". I justify by just considering it as Vegas choosing the player and then trading the player back to the original team. It would essentially be the same thing.

Having said that, I would have preferred it if Vegas could not trade the player back to their original team for a full season. I don't really like the idea that they could use player selection, or just the threat of player selection, as an asset to be traded. It should be for filling out their roster and not as a means for leveraging trade power.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Having said that, I would have preferred it if Vegas could not trade the player back to their original team for a full season. I don't really like the idea that they could use player selection, or just the threat of player selection, as an asset to be traded. It should be for filling out their roster and not as a means for leveraging trade power.

I think that anything that improves the expansion team is a good thing.

Expansion teams have been so bad in the past, I think the NHL bent over backwards to give them a decent shot of getting some decent assets.

No one is harmed by allowing them to simply trade players back to the team they selected them from, and increases the Vegas player pool.

[Five-hole]

This expansion draft is definitely happening at the right time for the Flames. We lose Stajan, Brouwer, or Kulak (likely), and the Wild lose Haula, Tuch, and a pick. That's not even close to the same ballpark of value.

[sureLoss]

Michael Russo @Russostrib
CLARIFICATION: The #mnwild is getting the conditional draft pick in the Haula/Tuch Vegas arrangement, not the other way around (1/2)

Michael Russo @Russostrib
Replying to @Russostrib
(2/2) Haula's deal is for 3 years, I believe. The conditions are complicated...I'll update blog once I get a good grasp

[Oil Stain]

Originally Posted by Five-hole

This expansion draft is definitely happening at the right time for the Flames. We lose Stajan, Brouwer, or Kulak (likely), and the Wild lose Haula, Tuch, and a pick. That's not even close to the same ballpark of value.

Vegas's center depth now looks like Shipachev, Haula, Kruger.

There's still a chance they take Stajan, but he's already pushed down to 4th line center on the Knights before all the picks have been announced.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Why would the Knights give up a pick?
I think they should have held more firm. Wild were in arguably the worst position overall and Vegas had all the leverage.
They should have somehow walked away with Dumba, Scandella or Ek.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

I think that anything that improves the expansion team is a good thing.

Expansion teams have been so bad in the past, I think the NHL bent over backwards to give them a decent shot of getting some decent assets.

No one is harmed by allowing them to simply trade players back to the team they selected them from, and increases the Vegas player pool.

I'm fine with expansion teams being terrible for a few seasons. I guess I can see why the NHL, and particularly, the people paying big bucks for the team wouldn't be OK with it though.

I don't like the process, but I get it and accept it I suppose.

[Ashasx]

I feel like the Wild make out like bandits here.

[dino7c]

The NHL awards failure...they don't want to be decent in year one

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I'm fine with expansion teams being terrible for a few seasons. I guess I can see why the NHL, and particularly, the people paying big bucks for the team wouldn't be OK with it though.

I don't like the process, but I get it and accept it I suppose.

It is different this time around than any of the previous expansions. Vegas just paid half a billion dollars for the privilege of playing in the NHL. One team just forked over 12–15% of the League's entire annual revenue, which I think entitles them to a better opportunity to be competitive.

[The Cobra]

Tuch is 21, and a former #18 pick, with good stats in the minors.

He's not a throw in, and is an expensive piece for Minny to give up to keep their current roster in place.

[Geeoff]

*bad information*

[Oil Stain]

Originally Posted by Geeoff

There's no incentive for Vegas to tank, as I understand that they will have draft lottery odds as if they finished 3rd worst for the next few years, regardless of where they end up in the standings.

That rumour keeps popping up, but its not true.

They were only guaranteed a top pick in this draft.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

It is different this time around than any of the previous expansions. Vegas just paid half a billion dollars for the privilege of playing in the NHL. One team just forked over 12–15% of the League's entire annual revenue, which I think entitles them to a better opportunity to be competitive.

I understand that.

Some of these trades seem more like extortion though. Like hey, we'll screw up your roster as much as possible unless you overpay us.

I would have even preferred to have more generous protection rules favouring Vegas than what the rules are now.

[powderjunkie]

Dumba is not Ekblad. Dumba will continue to develop on the Wild and probably become a legit top pair D in a few years. He is in a perfect position to continue his development considering his place on the depth chart.

Getting plopped into a top role on a crappy team is exactly the kind of thing that can de-rail a career. VGK is smarter to turn this opportunity into more value and fill the hardest position to draft (C). There is a plethora of comparable d-men available to them.

[Geeoff]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

That rumour keeps popping up, but its not true.

They were only guaranteed a top pick in this draft.

Hmmm. Where did I get this from? Was it in the original rumored rules?

I guess they do have incentive to tank.

[powderjunkie]

I wish Vegas was guaranteed the next two #1 overall picks (not including this draft). No teams should have incentive to tank. It would let Vegas work to be competitive now, and force other teams to *gasp* actually try to improve their teams.

[sureLoss]

Michael Russo @Russostrib
Sounds like Haula deal is 3 yrs around 2.75M AAV w Vegas
Tuch trade will be announced after Haula pick. #mnwild gets conditional 3-rd pick