02-13-2013, 11:49 AM
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Use of Native American Imagery in Sports
Political correctness has been going mad for quite some time. But apparently there is always room to get worse...
http://espn.go.com/blog/playbook/fan...sports-imagery
P.S. Mods, if this thread doesn't belong to the Flames Forum, my apologies. Please move it to the Off-topic forum. Thanks.
Last edited by CaptainYooh; 02-13-2013 at 11:52 AM.
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02-13-2013, 11:56 AM
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I can see why there's a problem with Redskins. But I see nothing but pride in the Blackhawks' name and logo.
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02-13-2013, 12:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Puppet Guy
I can see why there's a problem with Redskins. But I see nothing but pride in the Blackhawks' name and logo.
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Blackhawk is in honour of the slaughter of American Natives in the Blackhawk war, which was pretty much a complete bloodbath for the Natives. Black Hawk lived and was transported east where they got him out at various towns to show his face (along with the other captured Natives) so that everyone knew who won the slaughter. People would come out and burn the images of the Natives in effigy, once they arrived at their final destination they settled in to live out most of their remaining days in prison.
Not sure how other ethnic groups would react if sports teams were named to honour times when they were slaughtered but I would guess they would find it equally offensive.
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02-13-2013, 12:42 PM
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It is really one of the true embarrassments of our time that this is allowed to continue. When we collectively pull or head's out of our arses and look back to 2013, we will all feel quite badly that this was still around in supposed "progressive times".
Redskins. Really? How in blue hell is that allowed to be used still?
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02-13-2013, 12:44 PM
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it's pretty bad to be honest, especially the Redskins. but i like chief wahoo and would be sad if he was gone.
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02-13-2013, 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by JiriHrdina
It is really one of the true embarrassments of our time that this is allowed to continue. When we collectively pull or head's out of our arses and look back to 2013, we will all feel quite badly that this was still around in supposed "progressive times".
Redskins. Really? How in blue hell is that allowed to be used still?
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Is there another ethnic group that has been "honoured" in such a way with racially stereotyped names? I can only imagine if Jewish people, or Italians, or African Americans, or any other group had such honours bestowed on them what people would think.
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02-13-2013, 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by EddyBeers
Is there another ethnic group that has been "honoured" in such a way with racially stereotyped names? I can only imagine if Jewish people, or Italians, or African Americans, or any other group had such honours bestowed on them what people would think.
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How about the Notre Dame Fighting Irish? A logo of a leprechaun trying to fight.
You don't see the Irish up in arms over it.
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02-13-2013, 12:55 PM
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How about the "Celtics"?
Celts used to be found from Spain to Eastern Europe and even Asia Minor. After a series of wars and what today would be classified as genocide, only pockets of Celtic people still exist in the UK, Ireland and France (and a lot people who identify as Celts don't actually speak the langage or follow the traditions).
I suppose that is different because other white people probably came up with the name.
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02-13-2013, 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef
How about the Notre Dame Fighting Irish? A logo of a leprechaun trying to fight.
You don't see the Irish up in arms over it.
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And a name used by an IRISH Catholic institution.
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02-13-2013, 12:57 PM
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It's fine.
Leave it up to a bunch of liberal ninny writers to be offended by a sports franchise logo/name.
Political correctness needs to end.
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02-13-2013, 12:58 PM
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Damn, here I was expecting to read something enlightened and though provoking from Mikey. One day, one day...
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02-13-2013, 01:01 PM
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The difference is, is that none of those names or imagery (Celtics and Fighting Irish) have anything to do with discrimination or power struggles.
The use of the word "Redskins" or the imagery of the "Blackhawks" are both repressive, and used as words or images that control ideas of "otherness" or ethnocentrism.
Being informed and aware of issues isn't being overly PC. The real issues deal with people who stick their head in the sand and say "this is the way it's always been".
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02-13-2013, 01:01 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JiriHrdina
It is really one of the true embarrassments of our time that this is allowed to continue. When we collectively pull or head's out of our arses and look back to 2013, we will all feel quite badly that this was still around in supposed "progressive times".
Redskins. Really? How in blue hell is that allowed to be used still?
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I get more upset by improper use of apostrophes.
That really chaps my hide...
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02-13-2013, 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef
How about the Notre Dame Fighting Irish? A logo of a leprechaun trying to fight.
You don't see the Irish up in arms over it.
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It is not like they are the Notre Dame Huns or the Notre Dame Taigs.
You are talking about a team that most people believe was named for qualities of grit and determination and comparing it to other teams names like Blackhawk which commemorates a Native general getting slaughtered in a war and then being displayed all the way back to Washington as a circus animal, you do not see a difference?
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02-13-2013, 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by IamNotKenKing
I get more upset by improper use of apostrophes.
That really chaps my hide...
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Well thank goodness your focused on the important things.
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02-13-2013, 01:05 PM
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I guess you add "Eskimos" to the list then too.
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02-13-2013, 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction
I guess you add "Eskimos" to the list then too.
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Yup. Absolutely.
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02-13-2013, 01:08 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef
How about the Notre Dame Fighting Irish? A logo of a leprechaun trying to fight.
You don't see the Irish up in arms over it.
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Irish fight, and they joke around about it. Irish people typically find pride or humour in the Fighting Irish logo.
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Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction
How about the "Celtics"?
Celts used to be found from Spain to Eastern Europe and even Asia Minor. After a series of wars and what today would be classified as genocide, only pockets of Celtic people still exist in the UK, Ireland and France (and a lot people who identify as Celts don't actually speak the langage or follow the traditions).
I suppose that is different because other white people probably came up with the name.
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Celtics honouring a group of people who have been devastated is hardly offensive.
Black Hawk was a symbol of genocide, not a survivor they're honouring with the team name.
Redskins is clearly racist, I can't believe that wasn't trampled on years ago.
Indians, while not widely viewed as offensive (the term 'Indians' was used in the article itself) but I have personally been corrected many times in my life when referring to them as Indians. It's an offensive term in the simple fact that they were confused to be people of India, and instead of giving them respect... the original settlers just referred to them as Indians anyway.
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Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction
I guess you add "Eskimos" to the list then too.
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Why?
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02-13-2013, 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by valo403
And a name used by an IRISH Catholic institution.
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My point is teams use names involving groups of people they found to be warriors or found to be tough in some way. The Celtics, Maple Leafs, Rangers, Blue Jackets, Yankees, Pirates, Buccaneers, Mariners, Patriots, 49ers, Vikings, Titansand to a lesser extent the Senators (since they use a roman Senator as their logo) are all names after various groups of people.
As a person of Nordic decent I am not offended by the stereotypical use of a Viking in the Minnesota Viking logo.
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02-13-2013, 01:12 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by EddyBeers
Is there another ethnic group that has been "honoured" in such a way with racially stereotyped names? I can only imagine if Jewish people, or Italians, or African Americans, or any other group had such honours bestowed on them what people would think.
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Yankees, Vikings, Giants could all be deemed offensive if you are American, Norweigan or obese. Cleveland Browns to.
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