Israel declares war on Hamas

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by Bagor

To think posters here continue to lie to defend this deliberate starvation.

Sickos. Beyond being better.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1779150476212101538

Extremely sad

I don't want this to be whataboutism but how about a pic of the hostages or the non-starvation of Hamas fighters in Gaza.

[Sol]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

Extremely sad

I don't want this to be whataboutism but how about a pic of the hostages or the non-starvation of Hamas fighters in Gaza.

I don't want this to be "whataboutism", but what about...

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Sol

I don't want this to be "whataboutism", but what about...

Yes… the post essentially said “here comes some whataboutism” and then followed through…. Great catch.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

Extremely sad

I don't want this to be whataboutism but how about a pic of the hostages or the non-starvation of Hamas fighters in Gaza.

They should also be released if they are still alive. It’s a pretty simple and obvious answer that everyone agrees on.

[Leondros]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

Extremely sad

I don't want this to be whataboutism but how about a pic of the hostages or the non-starvation of Hamas fighters in Gaza.

Paging this post is terrible

[Zary's-Mustache]

Originally Posted by indes

Religion sure brings out the worst in people.

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

Extremely sad

I don't want this to be whataboutism but how about a pic of the hostages or the non-starvation of Hamas fighters in Gaza.

And sometimes you don't even need to be religious for that.

[CaptainCrunch]

Erica Le Bon is a Iranian activist, I've found that she has a very interesting take on things, especially concerning her own government.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1779685190941679979

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

Extremely sad

I don't want this to be whataboutism but how about a pic of the hostages or the non-starvation of Hamas fighters in Gaza.

That's EXACTLY what a whataboutism is, like FFS.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

Extremely sad

I don't want this to be whataboutism but how about a pic of the hostages or the non-starvation of Hamas fighters in Gaza.

To me the issue is not who is right or wrong, we can all agree that there is very complex morality both historic and contemporary.

The issue is an unbalance in destructive power. Isreal can, without a doubt, destroy everything and everyone in Palestine. Hamas, gave their very best shot in October. Is it tragic that 1400 Isreali's died that day? of course it is. But that does not minimize the violence that Isreal is capable of, the limits of which we are yet to see. Never mind the 34,000 and counting people killed. The infrastructure in Palestine no longer exists. Isreal could stop the war today and the death toll would still increase. This is Iraq again.

[Fuzz]

And if the Islamic Republic of Iran is the guilty party here, what excuse does Israel have for mass starvation and killing in Gaza? Are they not already victims of a foreign power conducting proxy wars? I don't see the logic in cheering on the continued decimation of a people.

[Azure]

It is rather interesting.

First there should be a ceasefire. Literally protesting in the streets of Canada.
Then Iran has the right to defend itself, and also protesting in the streets of Canada cheering on the attacks.
Now Israel has no right to retaliate, which they actually haven't done.

Either way, the fact that Saudi Arabia and Jordan helped, that Israel & its allies shot down most of the missiles, drones, etc and the fact that Israel hasn't gone total send Iran back to the stone age to me is a very good sign. Hopefully the countries that helped can now leverage Israel to work towards a longer term solution, and hopefully countries like Jordan & Saudi Arabia understand that they can make a huge difference to help get rid of Hamas and the influence from Iran.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by robertsfan

Iran has a right to defend itself.


I don’t think Iran will do anything directly. Israel is losing support throughout the world and is no longer looking like the meek David under threat of being obliterated by its neighbors- but the hairy brute Goliath it really is. Any direct attack by Iran changes all that.

Support within Israel is also dwindling- the protests in Tel Aviv, the growing “refusnik” movement and calls for Bibbi’s resignation. There is also a growing budget deficit, with the cost of Israel’s current genocidal campaign, the Red Sea blockade (as minimized at it is made out to be), and the attacks on Israel’s ports. Sooner or later the financial support from its Trust Fund daddy will also have to slow down.


Blowhard Bibbi and Israel have been trying to get the US to have a war with Iran for years, with neo-cons like Paul wolfowitz leading the way and trying to influence the Bush administration.


I think the genocide supporters really want a war with Iran as well but don’t realize how close we are to WW3.

But hey, let’s stop talking about the genocide in Gaza

Just quoting this to show how pathetically sad some people's views are.

I'd imagine this poster was part of the group protesting in the streets cheering on the attacks by Iran.

Sad.

[Bagor]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Erica Le Bon is a Iranian activist, I've found that she has a very interesting take on things, especially concerning her own government.

Not accurate.
Except it is not her own government. She is British born to Iranian parents. The posh British accent is a giveaway.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by Azure

Just quoting this to show how pathetically sad some people's views are.

I'd imagine this poster was part of the group protesting in the streets cheering on the attacks by Iran.

Sad.

Were large groups of people cheering iran on the streets in canada?

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by Language

I find it absolutely insane how there are “progressives” somehow defending what is one of the most despicable regimes in the entire world, in terms of not only how they treat their own people, but as a de-stabilizing force in the region via the Houthi rebels, Hezbollah, Hamas, etc.

This thread in a nutshell.
The enemy of enemy is my friend rings so true. Maybe it's human nature to have to pick a team, sad.

[TherapyforGlencross]

Originally Posted by Zary's-Mustache

So regarding 2)

Does this mean you think this is a war? If this is a war then you accept that Oct 7th was a bi product of war?

Is this your stance? That civilian casualties are part of "war" right? Or do you only agree when it's your favorite country doing the killing of innocent civilians and not the ones being slaughtered?

If people actually looked at the facts without bias there is no chance they'd say something so nonchalantly like "bi product of war" when 13000 children were slaughtered.

Even Putin hasn't stooped that low.

To be fair to Putin, he has kidnapped over 700,000 Ukrainian children from their homes and placed them into Russia proper. Both are despicable acts, but yes, Putin has stooped that low.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe...ia-2023-07-03/

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by jayswin

That's EXACTLY what a whataboutism is, like FFS.

Maybe I read it wrong, but I think he was actually prefacing his comment with that as a disclaimer. You know like, “I hate whattaboutisms, but I need to make one in this case”.

[Harry Lime]

Originally Posted by Bagor

Not accurate.
Except it is not her own government. She is British born to Iranian parents. The posh British accent is a giveaway.

Tell us more about your thoughts on the Women's Revolution in Iran.

[_Q_]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Erica Le Bon is a Iranian activist, I've found that she has a very interesting take on things, especially concerning her own government.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1779685190941679979

I appreciate her frustration with the government of Iran, but to be quite honest, this seems like a whole bunch of whatabboitism. Her arguments can be used in the reverse to justify bombing israel as well. This type of thinking gets us nowhere.

Fact of the matter is, Israel attacked Iran's diplomatic compound in Damascus. A response from Iran was inevitable. Yes, Iran does have a right to defend itself. That right isn't granted only to the US and its proxies.

[FlamesAddiction]

It sounds like so far, the only casualties of Iran's attack were 3 Jordanians and Israeli-Bedouin child.

I kind of hope Israel doesn't respond directly to this attack. I think it sends a better message to show you don't take them seriously enough to even bother. And for those claiming Iran's attack was in response for the consulate attack that killed terrorist, maybe in isolation, but the tit-for-tat has been going on a long time. Israel's attack on the consulate was a response to something as well. It's not really helpful in understanding the big picture to just arbitrarily pick on point and say, this is where it began.

As a side note, I don't think Hamas will be able to hold out much longer. At the start of the war, Israeli and Egyptian intelligence agreed that Hamas had enough hoarded food and medicine from the people of Gaza to sustain themselves for about 4-6 months. Pretty soon they are going to have to give up.