Fishing - Everything Fishing!

[pgsieve]

I know this might be old, but I thought it was worth a share. I'd never seen or heard of this and it is close to my hometown in PG.

http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/canada/b...tion-1.2945523

How does that even happen!?!

[Slava]

^ I was at an invasive species presentation a year or two ago and there are some places in Alberta where there are carp as well (amongst others) because people release their unwanted pets.

[foshizzle11]

ya, it is sad and hopefully something can be done but who knows. In Alberta, I believe if you catch a carp you can kill it or eat it. It is encouraged to not throw them back. I have seen some disturbing video of over populated sloughs around Calgary with these carp.

Not sure what should be done but it can't be a good thing.

[troutman]

Technically, brown trout, brook trout and rainbow trout are invasive species in Southern Alberta.

[GreenLantern]

to cause damage to the environment, human economy or human health.

Hrmm I guess maybe the environment, but weren't the trout stocked on purpose? When I think invasive I think either someone was negligent and it transferred via their boat, or it was introduced with malicious intent.

[foshizzle11]

well I have heard that some eastern Europeans released the Prussian Carp in Alberta/Canada because they liked fishing for those fish back home. Not sure that is malicious but it could and is likely very bad for the fisheries here.

And Troutman is right, those were all introduced to Alberta as well. What makes it ok to do it? Who decides what is invasive or not?

[troutman]

I remember hearing this story:

http://www.pc.gc.ca/eng/pn-np/ab/ban...-stocking.aspx

One warm day in 1925, a hatchery truck carrying 45,000 fingerling brown trout broke down on the Trans Canada Highway just east of Banff. The driver, fearing that his cargo would perish if left in the truck, did what seemed to be the right thing at the time - he released the young trout into a nearby stream. The brown trout eventually followed the creek down into the Bow River, and their offspring have lived there ever since.

Brook trout were introduced in Alberta around 1903.

http://www.albertafishingguide.com/fish/rainbow-trout

Alberta Rainbow Trout are the most sought after Trout in Alberta, and have been the most widely stocked fish in Alberta for decades. The only true native Rainbow trout to the province of Alberta is the Athabasca Rainbow and is for the most part restricted to the waters of the North Saskatchewan River (NSR) and its tributaries, including a few other select rivers and streams to the north of the NSR. The Rainbows of the Bow River, which average 16 inches in length and often reach lengths of 22” or better, are not native but they are naturally reproducing and considered by most to be wild. These Rainbows are primarily of McCloud River strain and were originally stocked in the Bow River in the mid 1920’s. A train carrying the Trout stocks was on its way to Banff National Park with the intent of stocking some of the parks lakes with the fish when it experienced a set of unfortunate circumstances just outside of the parks boundaries and it derailed on the banks of the Bow.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by foshizzle11

well I have heard that some eastern Europeans released the Prussian Carp in Alberta/Canada because they liked fishing for those fish back home. Not sure that is malicious but it could and is likely very bad for the fisheries here.

And Troutman is right, those were all introduced to Alberta as well. What makes it ok to do it? Who decides what is invasive or not?

Well specifically in the case of Brooks and Rainbows a piece of the issue is that they spawn at the same time as our native Cutthroats and Bulls. So that is how you end up with these hybridized fish like the Cut-bow. The major problem with that isn't that they don't seem like nice enough fish to catch, but there are genetic issues. The predominant concern is that these hybrids are almost always sterile, and cannot reproduce. So basically these hybrids die out, ending the genetic strain and leaving fewer fish down the road.

[foshizzle11]

So I was checking out the weather and found this little article and video. Goldfish in a pond in St. Albert that have survived the winter.

http://beta.theweathernetwork.com/ne...alberta/66067/

Silly fish, silly people releasing them. I wonder if they would survive in the rivers too if they were released. Does anyone know if these pet goldfish are surviving in Alberta rivers and streams?

[Slava]

They should introduce Pike and that would probably take care of things pretty quickly.

[2Stonedbirds]

Freaking slough sharks. Great sport fish but they are savages. We had a municipal run trout pond here years ago, someone introduced a few pike and that was it. Nothing but pike in that pond now.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by 2Stonedbirds

Freaking slough sharks. Great sport fish but they are savages. We had a municipal run trout pond here years ago, someone introduced a few pike and that was it. Nothing but pike in that pond now.

Yeah, its a permanent solution where if you don't really want Pike you can't put them in. Thing is they would take care of the goldfish though.

[2Stonedbirds]

Oh absolutely, I agree the pike will clean them up quick and it's better than leaving the goldfish.

Added bonus of having a pond stocked with fat pike!

[rbochan]

Originally Posted by Slava

Yeah, its a permanent solution where if you don't really want Pike you can't put them in. Thing is they would take care of the goldfish though.

Norlunge would work better, because they're 99% sterile.

[foshizzle11]

Originally Posted by rbochan

Norlunge would work better, because they're 99% sterile.

why wouldn't something like this be an option for a pond like that? after all the gold fishes are gone, then let people fish these guys out.

would the worry be that the Norlunge could get into other waterways?

[Violator]

Anybody have an idea when you can start fishing in fish creek

[Slava]

June 15th I think all of the creeks and streams open.

[troutman]

http://www.albertaregulations.ca/fishingregs/es2.html

Generally streams open April 1st north of the Bow (ES2), and June 16th south of the Bow (ES1).

[Violator]

Thanks for the help guys there goes my post layoff summer plans?

[Slava]

It works out though because you can fish the Bow up until about that time, then the spring run-off really hits and the little streams open and you can do some good fishing for the remainder of the summer.