[News] Official: Monahan, Bouma, & Gaudreau scratched against Leafs

[N-E-B]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Color me surprised at a few of the posters who seem to be knowledgeable suggesting this has been an ongoing issue. That is a little disappointing. Two top players being benched for disciplinary reasons is big news, whether we like it or not. It doesn't have to be an issue forever, but its kind of a big deal it got to this point.

I thought the Flames overpaid guys like Engelland and Stajan for all the great leadership they bring.

I am good with holding the players accountable. But maybe the leadership on the team isn't all I thought it was.

Doesn't seem like a leadership issue to me, it seems like three young guys who made a poor decision and are being held accountable for it.

Hopefully they learn from this. Part of success is failure. I don't think this is as big of a deal as some people are making it out to be.

[Psytic]

Win win, accountability and a better chance at a Fin or Matthews.

[AcGold]

OK woah woah woah... let's get this straight. 3 kids with millions of dollars and complete freedom got themselves into trouble?

I don't buy it


Bennett first line I do like.

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by polak

The thing is you guys are arguing about this from a little fairy tale "we're all a team and team is important" which makes sense as hardcore fans of this team who put it ahead of their own interests.

As a consumer if I had my tickets to this game then I paid to see the best Flames team available and now I'm getting a product that is missing TWO of it's marquee headliners cause the team can't suck it up and bench them at an away game.

It's like if you had tickets to Coachella, but the organizers decided to ban Guns N' Roses and Ice Cube cause they got drunk and peed on the promoters dog (lol k I don't know why that was the first thing that came to mind, but it seems like something they would do). Sure, they have every right to not let them play, but the fans have every right to be pissed off about it. Which is what you are seeing here.

I find it hard to believe you actually buy tickets to any games, so I'm not sure why you are so up in arms.

[zyzz]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

And you do?

MOD EDIT:

Post removed for inappropriate content.

[OldSam]

Probably a good idea to dispense with the veiled "I know everything" comments. There have been some insinuations made in this thread that should have been kept private. Whatever the truth, it is best to let the team deal with it and hope the "boys" figure it out, for their benefit, and ours. 100% behind the team decision.

[burnitdown]

Originally Posted by polak

It's like if you had tickets to Coachella, but the organizers decided to ban Guns N' Roses and Ice Cube cause they got drunk and peed on the promoters dog (lol k I don't know why that was the first thing that came to mind, but it seems like something they would do). Sure, they have every right to not let them play, but the fans have every right to be pissed off about it. Which is what you are seeing here.

You're right...this type of thing has happened with Kanye and Cee-Lo at Coachella a few years back where they were really late and their sets were cut short. The fans were furious. No one was mad at Coachella though. They were all mad at the singers for being toolbags.

[Patek23]

MOD EDIT: Don't speculate

[MarkGio]

I don't feel bad for ticket holders at all. I honestly couldn't care if the Flames sat all 3 for a week if that's what he feels is best.

Both Gaudreau and Monahan are crucial to building a successful era. I support that more than a few hockey games

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by polak

The thing is you guys are arguing about this from a little fairy tale "we're all a team and team is important" which makes sense as hardcore fans of this team who put ahead of their own interests.

As a consumer if I had my tickets to this game then I paid to see the best Flames team available and now I'm getting a product that is missing TWO of it's marquee headliners cause the team can't suck it up and bench them at an away game.

It's like if you had tickets to Coachella, but the organizers decided to ban Guns N' Roses and Ice Cube cause they got drunk and peed on the promoters dog (lol k I don't know why that was the first thing that came to mind, but it seems like something they would do). Sure, they have every right to not let them play, but the fans have every right to be pissed off about it. Which is what you are seeing here.

You are looking at it from a position where the coaches and management should put the importance of the fans ahead of the importance of the team.

That is ridiculous, Hartley and Treliving don't have to worry about what fans want, they have to worry about what is best for making this team a contender in the long term.

Nobody is saying you can't be pissed off about this, however it would be very stupid of our coaching staff to worry about Polak being pissed off that Gaudreau isn't playing when determining if they should punish a player for missing practice.

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by polak

The thing is you guys are arguing about this from a little fairy tale "we're all a team and team is important" which makes sense as hardcore fans of this team who put it ahead of their own interests.

As a consumer if I had my tickets to this game then I paid to see the best Flames team available and now I'm getting a product that is missing TWO of it's marquee headliners cause the team can't suck it up and bench them at an away game.

It's like if you had tickets to Coachella, but the organizers decided to ban Guns N' Roses and Ice Cube cause they got drunk and peed on the promoters dog (lol k I don't know why that was the first thing that came to mind, but it seems like something they would do). Sure, they have every right to not let them play, but the fans have every right to be pissed off about it. Which is what you are seeing here.

What's your point? Hartley is in the business of winning hockey games and teaching pro hockey to young players at the same time. This is, without a doubt, the right call to make - benching all three of them.

Brian and Ken worry about putting butts in the seats and offending their customers. I am currently NOT a paying customer, but if I was, I would be more pissed off that the team's leadership doesn't care enough about discipline and building a contender if they gave the stars preferential treatment.

[polak]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

I find it hard to believe you actually buy tickets to any games, so I'm not sure why you are so up in arms.

what?

I share season tickets with 3 buddies and have probably bought as many tickets as anyone from the ticket exchange (especially last year). I don't have tickets to tonights game so on a personal level, idgaf, but I really feel for the fans because when I do go, Monahan, Gaudreau and Bennett are pretty much the only reason.

I'd have no issues with this if it was an away game. I'd have even less issue with this if they found a better form of punishment then sitting for a game.

[PaperBagger'14]

Thought I'd treat a buddy who's having a rough go with layoffs and get us tickets to the game tonight. Not exactly going as expected.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by polak

The thing is you guys are arguing about this from a little fairy tale "we're all a team and team is important" which makes sense as hardcore fans of this team who put it ahead of their own interests.

As a consumer if I had my tickets to this game then I paid to see the best Flames team available and now I'm getting a product that is missing TWO of it's marquee headliners cause the team can't suck it up and bench them at an away game.

It's like if you had tickets to Coachella, but the organizers decided to ban Guns N' Roses and Ice Cube cause they got drunk and peed on the promoters dog (lol k I don't know why that was the first thing that came to mind, but it seems like something they would do). Sure, they have every right to not let them play, but the fans have every right to be pissed off about it. Which is what you are seeing here.

Boo hoo. If they were scratched for an away game it would be worse - those attendees only get maybe one chance to see Gaudreau. I remember Crosby missing a game here for minor injury reasons.

Benching is pretty much the only means of disciplining players. Fines don't mean as much to these guys.

[Gaudfather]

This is one of those defining moments for team culture. I am sure that this decision by Hartley has the full support of team management. To send a message, you need to strike when the iron is hot - it is unfortunate that home fans will be denied an opportunity to see Johnny and Mony play, but the bigger picture is more important.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by N-E-B

Doesn't seem like a leadership issue to me, it seems like three young guys who made a poor decision and are being held accountable for it.

Hopefully they learn from this. Part of success is failure. I don't think this is as big of a deal as some people are making it out to be.

I have no idea what's going on behind closed doors so I can only conclude so much. But having 3 players scratched for disciplinary reasons, two of them your stars and one an alternate captain. It's a big deal. Like it or not it will get tons of attention.

I believe that a team with a strong dressing room and leadership group would have dealt with issues like this before it got to this point.

Do I think it ruins the long term chances of the team? No. But we will be hearing and reading about this for a while.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

I honestly can't believe the fans are even debating this one.

Player(s) screws up and violates team policy: Punish them accordingly.

What is there even to debate?

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by polak

what?

I share season tickets with 3 buddies and have probably bought as many tickets as anyone from the ticket exchange (especially last year). I don't have tickets to tonights game so on a personal level, idgaf, but I really feel for the fans because when I do go, Monahan, Gaudreau and Bennett are pretty much the only reason.

Really? You're always so negative about everything.

You don't give off the impression that you even like the Flames.

[zamler]

Originally Posted by shermanator

The amount of entitlement some posters are showing in this thread is ridiculous. "I pay money for tickets and I want to see Gaudreau and Monahan and now the game is going to suck and rabble rabble rabble".

It's disappointing that these guys were scratched, but I'm glad it's happening if there is a reason for doing so.

I'd venture to say if you pay good money to attend the game you are entitled to watch the star players.

[polak]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

I honestly can't believe the fans are even debating this one.

Player(s) screws up and violates team policy: Punish them accordingly.

What is there even to debate?

The punishment and its effect on the fans enjoyment of the product they paid money to see.