I reallynliked the uniform changes in this week's episode. To be clear though I just enjoyed the change, not all of them were good(Jean).
Who wants a New Mutants or Young X-Men spinoff show?
I would absolutely love a New Mutants spinoff. Go full-blast 80s Sienkiewicz/Claremont weirdo teen melodrama. Give me all the extra-dimensional soap opera angst.
Cyclops and Jean Grey are the worst. Just the worst.
Her Marvel Girl costume is her second ever look and it's so badly dated.
I would like a Young X-men show with, Surge, Rockslide, X-23, Pixie, Murcury and so on. I really enjoyed that run and they faced some great legacy villians in Belasco, Nimrod, and Deathstrike.
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I really enjoyed that for the first time in 3 years we got some fantasy fiction context that could just be said to be good. no good but, it's just good.
Really happy with the experience. The X-men is actually the property I have the least faith in them to do well in the MCU, because I don't know that they will resist the urge to have Magneto be a 100 year old holocaust survivor, or tell us that tens of thousands of mutants have been around all along during the MCU events we watched, when the right thing to do is re-write the characters in a way that builds out and grows the MCU from where it is today, instead of retconning all of comic history into a story that didn't have space for it all.
I really enjoyed that for the first time in 3 years we got some fantasy fiction context that could just be said to be good. no good but, it's just good.
Really happy with the experience. The X-men is actually the property I have the least faith in them to do well in the MCU, because I don't know that they will resist the urge to have Magneto be a 100 year old holocaust survivor, or tell us that tens of thousands of mutants have been around all along during the MCU events we watched, when the right thing to do is re-write the characters in a way that builds out and grows the MCU from where it is today, instead of retconning all of comic history into a story that didn't have space for it all.
I agree with you but we'll also get a chorus of whiny man-babies who want nothing to change from the comics because Disney has gone "woke". Morph goes by they/them and it got a bunch panties in a bunch.
Trying to shoehorn in 60+ years of history would be a disaster. They're iconic characters that can stand on their own by placing them in a modern setting with similar but modern backstories.
That said, unlike a lot of superhero franchises, they're also diverse enough characters that they don't need to be changed too drastically.
I agree with you but we'll also get a chorus of whiny man-babies who want nothing to change from the comics because Disney has gone "woke". Morph goes by they/them and it got a bunch panties in a bunch.
Trying to shoehorn in 60+ years of history would be a disaster. They're iconic characters that can stand on their own by placing them in a modern setting with similar but modern backstories.
That said, unlike a lot of superhero franchises, they're also diverse enough characters that they don't need to be changed too drastically.
I guess that depends on how they do it. I mean if this is one of those multiverse things they could just go without an origin story for the X-Men and then smash that universe into the MCU. Kinda like how they are doing with Deadpool and Wolverine.
I guess that depends on how they do it. I mean if this is one of those multiverse things they could just go without an origin story for the X-Men and then smash that universe into the MCU. Kinda like how they are doing with Deadpool and Wolverine.
But it still is a problem that they keep trying to say things like Magneto is a WWII survivor, any way you cut it a 100 year old man just isn't a threatening enough villain. And the fundamental truth behind the character is that if you oppress people too harshly they will fight back in often evil and villianess ways.
There is plenty of history in the past 30-40 years to give the character that life experience without trying to ret-conn / rebuild a whole universe of story telling.
But it still is a problem that they keep trying to say things like Magneto is a WWII survivor, any way you cut it a 100 year old man just isn't a threatening enough villain. And the fundamental truth behind the character is that if you oppress people too harshly they will fight back in often evil and villianess ways.
There is plenty of history in the past 30-40 years to give the character that life experience without trying to ret-conn / rebuild a whole universe of story telling.
I wouldn't be surprised if they pick something like Sokovia and draw allusions to it having experienced something similar to the Balkins in the 90s
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I wouldn't be surprised if they pick something like Sokovia and draw allusions to it having experienced something similar to the Balkins in the 90s
Might be too similar an origin to Zemo in Civil War.
The previous X-Men films already did an incredible job with Magneto's backstory. They can and should try something different with this incarnation when they decide to introduce him into the MCU.
But I honestly think they shouldn't use Magneto in the MCU. At least for a while. There are plenty of X-Men villains they could use first. Sinister being at the top of the list. Sauron would be a fun henchmen they haven't used. The Brood would be pretty easy as well but I wouldn't want them to face an intergalactic villain at the start.
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Might be too similar an origin to Zemo in Civil War.
The previous X-Men films already did an incredible job with Magnetos backstory. They can and should try something different with this incarnation when they decide to introduce him into the MCU.
But I honestly think they shouldn't use Magneto in the MCU. At least for a while. There are plenty of X-Men villains they could use first. Sinister being at the top of the list. Sauron would be a fun henchmen they haven't used. The Brood would be pretty easy as well but I wouldn't want them to face an intergalactic villain at the start.
I was thinking that while I typed but stuck without our of a desire for Wanda and Petro to be mutants after all haha.
I think you're right, Sinister is at the top of the list. They've done Magneto, Apocalypse, Dark Phoenix (twice), and only given a vague tease of Sinister. Time to deliver.
But yeah, I feel like the X-men in the 616 will be some sort of Post Secret Wars soft reboot. Kinda like the DCEU was at one point planning on with the Flash.
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I wouldn't be surprised if they pick something like Sokovia and draw allusions to it having experienced something similar to the Balkins in the 90s
I've actually thought about this a lot because the X-men 92 cartoons were really my intro to the superhero genre, and I loved X1 the movie. So I badly want them to do the characters right.
But I would be flabbergasted if they do anything other than make him a 100 year old holocaust survivor, which is the wrong choice. Even if they do make the right choice, there will be a chorus of liberal complaining about them minimize Jewish history instead of the understanding the point of the story is how you can only push people so hard before they push back. It is not meant to be a moral history lesson about the holocaust, that was just a vehicle for the story they were telling.
My 3 year X-men Elevator Pitch, spoilerred for size and those who don't care for crappy fan fiction.
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Start with a Storm titled movie, Houthi / Tutsi Rwandan story set in 93, Still have Magnetos family killed in a genocide, start with start with a maybe 2-3 characters like Storm and Darwin getting recruited by Xaviers as his first students, maybe have Wolverine and MacTaggert in there in some kind of UN peace keeper role. Maybe tie into MCU history by crossing over with T'Chaka, established in the timeline, but we don't have to wonder "where was he?" because we know, he was hiding from the world. Maybe get Trask in there trying to copy Wakandan tech to start the Sentinel program.
Same year, release a Gambit title Movie set in Jan 1 2000. Basic run away love story. Teen Gambit is robbing a house on new years eve when he finds a girl locked in her room, she touches him knocks him out, he gets arrested. she gets his memories falls in love with him, breaks him out of jail. turns into a fugitive on the run movie. Movie surrounds Gambits jealousy towards Rouge having parents who loved her, and Rouges trauma with having parents that loved her so much they hid her and locked her away to protect people from her. Movie ends with their fugitive road trip arriving in Westchester, all of the characters from the Storm movie are there.
Next year do a full present day X-men title movie with a different villain like Sinister, using the team you established, Storm, Darwin, Wolverine, Rouge, Gambit, Prof X, Magneto. Have Magneto turn on the team after the refuse to finish sinister off. Stinger at the end with the 18 year olds you are missing from the team you ultimately want to have. Scott and Jean, Iceman, Nightcrawler, Beast...? Maybe calling back to the Sentinel tech they were trying to get their hands on in Storm.
MCUX2 mostly with the new team. Back seat Darwin, Send Logan on a solo track, do an Alpha flight and Silver Samurai movie... Build out your side universe they way they did having Antman and Dr Strange movies... Give everyone the full X-men 97 team we really want.
I think there are a ton of good recent history stories there, where you can lace a small number of experienced mutants into history, then you can advance 35 years and have people on the news complaining that "20 years ago there were rumors of a few of these people, not they're everywhere".
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Might be too similar an origin to Zemo in Civil War.
The previous X-Men films already did an incredible job with Magneto's backstory. They can and should try something different with this incarnation when they decide to introduce him into the MCU.
But I honestly think they shouldn't use Magneto in the MCU. At least for a while. There are plenty of X-Men villains they could use first. Sinister being at the top of the list. Sauron would be a fun henchmen they haven't used. The Brood would be pretty easy as well but I wouldn't want them to face an intergalactic villain at the start.
The thing about Magneto is he is at the heart of the moral conflict the X-men, arguably the most important character to the story they should want to tell. When you are oppressed, is peaceful or violent resistance the right action? I think rather than starting with him as a villain, start with him as a team member, then have him scorn and reject the team while they fight the real villains.
The backstory between Charles and Magneto just works so well and is so crucial, that you can't really upset that.
Will they go with 83 year old Patrick Stewart as Prof X? If that's the case, then a holocaust survivor Magneto could work, but I'd rather they just went with younger actors and changed the backstory.
