06-21-2017, 08:05 PM
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#21
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Originally Posted by calgaryblood
He's as good defensively as Kesler and Bergeron? Not a chance.
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Got anything to back that up? Because all of the stats put him among the best defensive players in the league.
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06-21-2017, 08:09 PM
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#22
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Lifetime Suspension
Join Date: Jul 2015
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Quote:
Originally Posted by codynw
Got anything to back that up? Because all of the stats put him among the best defensive players in the league.
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Better than Kesler and Bergeron? I'd love to see that since that's my only point. Backlund is great defensively and no shame in finishing 4th.
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06-21-2017, 09:03 PM
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#23
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Good for him -- well deserved. Hope he can crack the top three next year.
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06-21-2017, 09:19 PM
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#24
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First Line Centre
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Some of us have been calling Backlund a centre with an elite defensive game for three years now. It's so great to finally see him get recognized, albeit a few years late.
The Flames are lucky to have him.
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06-21-2017, 09:27 PM
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#25
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Edmonton
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Good for Backs. Would have liked to see him be a finalist, but this year will definitely help him down the line. If he has another season like last year I think with the recognition he earned he should be able to crack the top 3. Come and Tre get him signed to an extension!
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06-22-2017, 07:46 AM
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#26
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i'm glad to see he was recognized, even if it wasn't top 3.
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06-22-2017, 08:26 AM
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#27
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: F*** me. We're so f***ing good, you check the f***ing standings? Lets f***ing go! F***ing practice!
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If I was Treliving, I would sign Backlund to an extension as soon as possible.
Backs has another year like this past season and he is going to be a Selke nominee, which will bring another level of salary. Backlund also deserves full commitment from the Flames to pay back the loyalty and home town sweet heart deals that he has taken every year his contract gets renewed.
IMO it is a complete shame that a guy like Troy Brouwer has an A on his jersey over Backlund. Even more of a slap in the face is the fact he was handed that A before he had even played a single game for the Flames over a guy who has played his entire career for Calgary.
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06-22-2017, 10:11 AM
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#28
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In the Sin Bin
Join Date: Mar 2009
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McDavid over Barkov defensively? Ok, sure...
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06-22-2017, 10:41 AM
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#29
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: The C-spot
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Quote:
Originally Posted by codynw
Got anything to back that up? Because all of the stats put him among the best defensive players in the league.
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This is exactly why the same players win the reputational awards every year. "Oh, nobody is as good defensively as Bergeron and Kesler." Why? "Because nobody is as good as them!"
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06-22-2017, 05:16 PM
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Retired
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: Back in Guelph
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So over this past season I've read a lot of posts about Backlunds next contract. In particular, the ones who lose interest if he wants $5+Million. In my opinion he's easily worth that, so I took a look at that Selke voting list and just wrote down the cap hit for each player as a comparison.
1. Bergeron. $6.875
2. Kesler. $6.875
3. Koivu. $6.75
4. Backlund ('not worth $5.5')
5. Toews. $10.5
6. Stone. $3.5 (RFA)
7. Backstrom. $6.7
8. Tavares. $5.5 (UFA after next season)
9. J. Staal. $6
10. Crosby. $8.7
11. OReilly. $7.5 (holy Feaster that was close)
12. Marchand. $6.1
13. Granlund. $3 (RFA)
14. Hossa. $5.275
15. Kopitar. $10
16. McDavid. ($12-$14)
17. Barkov. $5.9
18. Zetterberg. $6
19. Oshie. $4.1 (UFA)
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06-23-2017, 12:18 AM
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#31
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: The C-spot
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Fine, but let's see the point totals of those players too, especially over the last 3 seasons or so. Backlund may be the least offensively talented player on that list (save Jordan Staal).
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06-23-2017, 12:24 AM
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#32
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Houston, TX
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TheFlamesVan
So over this past season I've read a lot of posts about Backlunds next contract. In particular, the ones who lose interest if he wants $5+Million. In my opinion he's easily worth that, so I took a look at that Selke voting list and just wrote down the cap hit for each player as a comparison.
1. Bergeron. $6.875
2. Kesler. $6.875
3. Koivu. $6.75
4. Backlund ('not worth $5.5')
5. Toews. $10.5
6. Stone. $3.5 (RFA)
7. Backstrom. $6.7
8. Tavares. $5.5 (UFA after next season)
9. J. Staal. $6
10. Crosby. $8.7
11. OReilly. $7.5 (holy Feaster that was close)
12. Marchand. $6.1
13. Granlund. $3 (RFA)
14. Hossa. $5.275
15. Kopitar. $10
16. McDavid. ($12-$14)
17. Barkov. $5.9
18. Zetterberg. $6
19. Oshie. $4.1 (UFA)
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Lol wow! Does the Ottawa media mafia ever have power!
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06-23-2017, 12:29 AM
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#33
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First Line Centre
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How did Backlund finish fourth in the selke votes while playing in the Khl? Hey WAYCOS!
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06-23-2017, 12:32 AM
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#34
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In the Sin Bin
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Where r u chris o'sullivan?!?!?
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06-23-2017, 06:02 AM
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Retired
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: Back in Guelph
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Five-hole
Fine, but let's see the point totals of those players too, especially over the last 3 seasons or so. Backlund may be the least offensively talented player on that list (save Jordan Staal).
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Sure give me more work...  . here's last years totals. He's right in the mix if you ask me.
1. Bergeron. $6.875 - 21g 32a
2. Kesler. $6.875 - 22g 36a
3. Koivu. $6.75 - 18g 40a
4. Backlund ('not worth $5.5') - 22g 31a
5. Toews. $10.5 - 21g 37a
6. Stone. $3.5 (RFA) - 22g 32a
7. Backstrom. $6.7 - 23g 63a
8. Tavares. $5.5 (UFA next season) - 28g 38a
9. J. Staal. $6 - 16g 29a
10. Crosby. $8.7 - 44g 45a
11. OReilly. $7.5 - 20g 35a
12. Marchand. $6.1 - 39g 46a
13. Granlund. $3 (RFA) - 26g 43a
14. Hossa. $5.275 - 26g 19a
15. Kopitar. $10 - 12g 40a
16. McDavid. ($12-$14) - 30g 70a
17. Barkov. $5.9 - 21g 31a
18. Zetterberg. $6 - 17g 51a
19. Oshie. $4.1 (UFA) - 33g 23a
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06-23-2017, 09:31 AM
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Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: The C-spot
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While I did say "point totals", simple point totals are of marginal value. Below is the PPG for last year as well as over the last 3 seasons. As I thought, Backlund has the second lowest PPG over the last 3 seasons, only higher than J. Staal, and was the 3rd lowest last year, only higher than J. Staal and Hossa, who is 53 years old.
1. Bergeron - '16-'17: 0.67 PPG; Last 3 seasons: 0.73 PPG
2. Kesler - '16-'17: 0.70 PPG; Last 3 seasons: 0.65 PPG
3. Koivu - '16-'17: 0.73 PPG; Last 3 seasons: 0.67 PPG
4. Backlund - '16-'17: 0.65 PPG; Last 3 seasons: 0.59 PPG
5. Toews - '16-'17: 0.80 PPG; Last 3 seasons: 0.78 PPG
6. Stone - '16-'17: 0.76 PPG; Last 3 seasons: 0.79 PPG
7. Backstrom - '16-'17: 1.05 PPG; Last 3 seasons: 0.97 PPG
8. Tavares - '16-'17: 0.86 PPG; Last 3 seasons: 0.94 PPG
9. J. Staal - '16-'17: 0.6 PPG; Last 3 seasons: 0.58 PPG
10. Crosby - '16-'17: 1.19 PPG; Last 3 seasons: 1.11 PPG
11. O'Reilly - '16-'17: 0.76 PPG; Last 3 seasons: 0.76 PPG
12. Marchand - '16-'17: 1.06 PPG; Last 3 seasons: 0.8 PPG
13. Granlund - '16-'17: 0.85 PPG; Last 3 seasons: 0.66 PPG
14. Hossa - '16-'17: 0.62 PPG; Last 3 seasons: 0.63 PPG
15. Kopitar - '16-'17: 0.68 PPG; Last 3 seasons: 0.81 PPG
16. McDavid - '16-'17: 1.22 PPG; Last 2* seasons: 1.17 PPG
17. Barkov - '16-'17: 0.85 PPG; Last 3 seasons: 0.74 PPG
18. Zetterberg - '16-'17: 0.81 PPG; Last 3 seasons: 0.76 PPG
19. Oshie - '16-'17: 0.82 PPG; Last 3 seasons: 0.74 PPG
Backlund has a way to go to be considered in the company of these forwards as a total package, and therefore in salary demands.
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06-23-2017, 09:51 AM
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#37
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Wyshynski (Puck Daddy Blog) posted his awards ballot. He had Backlund 5th but what I found most interesting is that he didn't have Kessler on it, saying he's all hype. He also really likes Tkachuk, putting him on the all rookie team ahead of the Marner.
https://sports.yahoo.com/nhl-awards-...232722462.html
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06-23-2017, 10:46 AM
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Retired
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: Back in Guelph
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Five-hole
While I did say "point totals", simple point totals are of marginal value. Below is the PPG for last year as well as over the last 3 seasons. As I thought, Backlund has the second lowest PPG over the last 3 seasons, only higher than J. Staal, and was the 3rd lowest last year, only higher than J. Staal and Hossa, who is 53 years old.
1. Bergeron - '16-'17: 0.67 PPG; Last 3 seasons: 0.73 PPG
2. Kesler - '16-'17: 0.70 PPG; Last 3 seasons: 0.65 PPG
3. Koivu - '16-'17: 0.73 PPG; Last 3 seasons: 0.67 PPG
4. Backlund - '16-'17: 0.65 PPG; Last 3 seasons: 0.59 PPG
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Wow sorry. Next time let me know exactly what you want and I'll send it you you on letter head. Thought it was easy enough to add the goals and assists.
Anyways, first of all, PPG is virtually the same for those top 4. 2nd. Backlund just turned 28 which in my opinion means he's 1 year into his 4 prime centreman years. So his 25 year old PPG is irrelevant. Previous 3 year average PPG isn't something the GM or Backlunds agent is going to bring up negotiating terms. It's 'what have you done for me lately', which has been being a top defensive centreman in the NHL. Earns you $6mil a year normally.
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06-23-2017, 10:56 AM
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#39
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: The C-spot
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TheFlamesVan
Wow sorry. Next time let me know exactly what you want and I'll send it you you on letter head. Thought it was easy enough to add the goals and assists.
Anyways, first of all, PPG is virtually the same for those top 4. 2nd. Backlund just turned 28 which in my opinion means he's 1 year into his 4 prime centreman years. So his 25 year old PPG is irrelevant. Previous 3 year average PPG isn't something the GM or Backlunds agent is going to bring up negotiating terms. It's 'what have you done for me lately', which has been being a top defensive centreman in the NHL. Earns you $6mil a year normally.
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Calm down man, I was saying that I said "points" but probably should have said "points per game", because IMO total points doesn't tell you much. I wasn't attacking you at all.
(Btw, "adding goals and assists" doesn't give you points per game.)
If you're telling me that a GM only cares about what happened last season in evaluating what to pay on a contract, I have oceanfront property in Calgary you may be interested in. And given that Tre will be interested in paying as little as possible, the fact that Backlund had 27 points three seasons ago will almost certainly be mentioned.
Consistency over three seasons is very relevant, because lots of players have one offensive outburst season that they will never even remotely approach again (see Stajan, Matt). I'm not saying Backlund is that, but until he shows more offensive consistency, it's a valid argument against paying him the same kind of money the other guys on this list are getting.
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06-23-2017, 11:02 AM
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#40
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Toronto
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Five-hole
Calm down man, I was saying that I said "points" but probably should have said "points per game", because IMO total points doesn't tell you much. I wasn't attacking you at all.
(Btw, "adding goals and assists" doesn't give you points per game.)
If you're telling me that a GM only cares about what happened last season in evaluating what to pay on a contract, I have oceanfront property in Calgary you may be interested in. And given that Tre will be interested in paying as little as possible, the fact that Backlund had 27 points three seasons ago will almost certainly be mentioned.
Consistency over three seasons is very relevant, because lots of players have one offensive outburst season that they will never even remotely approach again (see Stajan, Matt). I'm not saying Backlund is that, but until he shows more offensive consistency, it's a valid argument against paying him the same kind of money the other guys on this list are getting.
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It was two, though your point still stands.
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