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Old 07-28-2017, 02:20 PM   #21
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Old 07-28-2017, 02:20 PM   #22
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Johansen is such a fake tough guy, I really don't like him.

Remember when he gave Stajan a cheap hit after a whistle then got dummied by Bennett? Good times.

Bennett's got that short left while hanging on to the sweater down pat like good fighters do.
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Well this pushes Draisaitl's price up.
I think it caps it actually. If this is what a first line centre on the WC champions, who consistently produces gets, then I don't think Draisaitl can ask for more.

7.5 million ends up being 20 for both up north.
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Old 07-28-2017, 02:20 PM   #24
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Johansen (0.665) and Monahan (0.680) have very similar PPG rates so far in their careers, however Monahan is 2 years younger.

I take Monahan at $6.375 for 6 more years 10/10 compared to Johansen at $8 for 8.
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Old 07-28-2017, 02:23 PM   #25
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Johansen (0.665) and Monahan (0.680) have very similar PPG rates so far in their careers, however Monahan is 2 years younger.

I take Monahan at $6.375 for 6 more years 10/10 compared to Johansen at $8 for 8.
Sure, but if you are signing Monahan today and getting 7 UFA years he won't be signing for 6.375.

Anyone know if he got the Lockout Special?
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This makes me happy. Draisaitl's going to get paid at least 9m now.
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Old 07-28-2017, 02:26 PM   #27
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Also rewatching that fight I posted above, noticed that Versteeg is just loving it!

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Sure, but if you are signing Monahan today and getting 7 UFA years he won't be signing for 6.375.

Oh for sure. All the contracts that have been signed since last season make me happy we re-signed Gaudreau and Monahan when we did last summer. They look like steals now.
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Old 07-28-2017, 02:28 PM   #28
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Ah, damn I love Sam Bennett.
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Old 07-28-2017, 02:30 PM   #29
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Not trying to turn this into a Draisatil thread but I believe he'll be playing hardball now (unless they have a deal already worked out prior to today). There has been speculation (TSN) about him being unhappy with how Edmonton handled him during his rookie season. He then went and out performed their golden boy in the playoffs. And of course, having to live in Edmonton, there has to be compensation for that right?

Anyway, back on topic. Yes that seems steep, but you could argue that with Johansen healthy the Preds could be Cup champions.
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Old 07-28-2017, 02:43 PM   #30
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That's definitely a fair deal. I would take that in a heartbeat.

I swear some of you still think the cap is at like $50 mil. You guys are going to #### yourselves when you see contracts that guys like Eichel, Matthews, Nyladner etc. are going to get in the next couple years.
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Good player for sure and his stats are better than I would have thought, but it still feels like an overpayment. Feels a bit Kessel-like to me (contract, not player)
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Old 07-28-2017, 02:53 PM   #32
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This guy also has some health concerns: I think there was a heart thing earlier in his career and just last year he took a normal hit and almost had to have his leg amputated!
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Old 07-28-2017, 03:05 PM   #33
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A nice comparison that Darren Haynes made on Twitter. Johansen had 14-19-33 in 107 games during his 19 and 20 year old season.

Bennett had 31-32-63 in 159 games played his 19 and 20 year old season. Lots of room for him to grow.

Both 4th overall picks too.

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Another deal that makes the Mony signing last offseason look very reasonable!
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Another deal that makes the Mony signing last offseason look very reasonable!
Mony wasn't a UFA to be, so it's hard to compare those deals.

I don't think Nashville deciding to not pay him this much and letting him walk would increase their SC chances.

Nashville is in a good place and can afford this easily. They are set up to contend for the foreseeable future and he is an important part of the team.
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Overpayment?

My goodness people toss that term around way too much.

Johansen has the 9th most points out of any center in the league over the last 4 seasons, and he is the youngest guy in the top 20, and he put up those numbers from his 21 to 24 year old seasons.

This is a great contract that buys 7 years of UFA.
He's 20th among centres (with at least 50 gp) in PPG (0.78) over that time frame, with his last 2+ years in Columbus (0.79) being slightly better than his first 1+ years in Nashville (0.76).
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He's 20th among centres (with at least 50 gp) in PPG (0.78) over that time frame, with his last 2+ years in Columbus (0.79) being slightly better than his first 1+ years in Nashville (0.76).
50 games played is a terrible sample size if you're going to use points per game.

300+ games over the last 4 years (which proves durability) and he's 11th, and like I said the youngest in the top 20 by a large margin with the exception of Seguin.

And if you look at the cap hits / contracts of all the other guys in that group, Johansen's contract is just fine.
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50 games played is a terrible sample size if you're going to use points per game.

300+ games over the last 4 years (which proves durability) and he's 11th, and like I said the youngest in the top 20 by a large margin with the exception of Seguin.

And if you look at the cap hits / contracts of all the other guys in that group, Johansen's contract is just fine.
300 games excludes Malkin, Stamkos, Tavares, Matthews, Eichel, and Marner, who would be above him. Any list of top centres that excludes those players is terrible.

Edit: Oh, and McDavid!

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300 games excludes Malkin, Stamkos, Tavares, Matthews, Eichel, and Marner, who would be above him. Any list of top centres that excludes those players is terrible.

Edit: Oh, and McDavid!


Any list of centers that includes Marner is terrible...
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300 games excludes Malkin, Stamkos, Tavares, Matthews, Eichel, and Marner, who would be above him. Any list of top centres that excludes those players is terrible.

Edit: Oh, and McDavid!
What good is a slightly better p/pg if the player in question plays a lot less games?

And all those names you listed either already have a higher cap hit than Johansen or will in the next year or two which enforces my stance that his contract isnt a gross over payment.
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