[News] Official expansion alignment, expansion draft rules, and 2017 entry draft rules

[Matty81]

Yeah no clarity at all on the important piece... What constitutes a pro season. Gillies, Kylington for the flames hang in the balance.

Edit - i think both Laine and Puljujarvi need to be protected if euro seasons count... Crazy

[sureLoss]

FWIW Johnston has been off on his accuracy.

Should mean any player who was not under NHL contract while playing pro in Europe doesn't count.

Chris Johnston @reporterchris
Artemi Panarin and Nikita Zaitsev will be exempt from the expansion draft. European free agents only have their NHL seasons count.

[getbak]

The CBA has two articles that define professional experience. Both are used in determining a player's eligibility for different types of free agency. They differ only slightly, and most players would have the same status under either definition.

One of these is the most likely definition to be used by the League for the expansion draft...


This is the definition of a "Professional Season" used to determine eligibility for Group 5 & 6 Free Agency (CBA Article 10.1):

For the purposes of the foregoing, the term "professional season" shall: (A) for a Player aged 18 or 19, mean any season in which such Player plays in eleven (11) or more Professional Games (including NHL Regular Season and Playoff Games, minor league regular season and playoff games, and games played in any European professional league, while under an SPC), and (B) for a Player aged 20 or older, mean any season in which such Player plays in one or more Professional Games (including NHL Regular Season and Playoff Games, minor league regular season and playoff games, and games played in any European professional league, while under an SPC).

This is the definition of a "Year of Professional Experience" used to determine eligibility for Group 2 Free Agency (CBA Article 10.2):

For the purposes of this Section 10.2(a), a Player aged 18 or 19 earns a year of professional experience by playing ten (10) or more NHL Games in a given NHL Season, and a Player aged 20 or older (or who turns 20 between September 16 and December 31 of the year in which he signs his first SPC) earns a year of professional experience by playing ten (10) or more Professional Games under an SPC in a given League Year.

Under either definition, Gillies is exempt. Under the first definition, he currently has 1 year of experience (1 professional game played, age 20+); under the second, he has 0 (<10 professional games played, age 20+). Kylington should also be exempt because his European seasons were before he was under an NHL SPC.

The Flames prospects who will be impacted by the definition used are Shinkaruk and Poirier. Both played a full season in the AHL at age 19 (on contracts signed at age 18). Under the first definition, they already have played 2 pro seasons because their first AHL season counts. Under the second definition, they have 1 year of pro experience because their first AHL season doesn't count.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by AC

Frolik will get protected, almost because we don't have many other forwards worth protecting.

7 Forwards
1. Gaudreau
2. Monahan
3. Bennett
4. Backlund
5. Frolik
6. Shinkaruk?
7. Ferland / Colborne?

3 Defence
1. Giordano
2. Brodie
3. Hamilton

1 Goalie
1. Whoever we acquire

I would think one of Colborne, Ferland, or Bouma would be prime candidates to be exposed and picked.

So maybe the Flames go the other route and protect Kevin instead?

[Finger Cookin]

Can we pin getbak's post to the front of the forum for the next year?

[Finger Cookin]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

So maybe the Flames go the other route and protect Kevin instead?

Which of Jokipakka, Smid, Engelland, and Nakladal (throw in Wotherspoon, Sieloff, Culkin, Kulak, and Morrison if you like) is most likely to a) meet the 40/70 game requirement, and b) be signed into the 17-18 season? And if Jokipakka is protected, which of the remaining names is most likely to meet the two conditions?

In terms of games played to meet 40/70, everyone listed would need to play the following number of games with the Flames this season and be signed into 17-18:

Smid: 40 games (48 games to meet 70 over 2 seasons)
Engelland: 1
Nakladal: 40 (43)
Wotherspoon: 40 (59)
Sieloff: 40 (69)
Culkin: 40
Kulak: 40 (62)
Morrison: 40

Of those guys, Nakladal probably has the highest chance of being re-signed and playing 40 games.

I don't think Jokipakka will be exposed because he's not valued by the Flames. I'm thinking he'll need to be exposed because he'll have to be. He only needs a contract and 12 games to meet the requirements. The other candidates will either need to play in far more games than they are likely to, or need to be re-signed when it's unlikely the club will be interested in doing so.

[Par]

Originally Posted by AC

Frolik will get protected, almost because we don't have many other forwards worth protecting.

7 Forwards
1. Gaudreau
2. Monahan
3. Bennett
4. Backlund
5. Frolik
6. Shinkaruk?
7. Ferland / Colborne?

3 Defence
1. Giordano
2. Brodie
3. Hamilton

1 Goalie
1. Whoever we acquire

I would think one of Colborne, Ferland, or Bouma would be prime candidates to be exposed and picked.

What about Gillies?

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Finger Cookin

Can we pin getbak's post to the front of the forum for the next year?

Well, hopefully, we'll get clarification soon on the exact definition so we won't have to guess for the next year.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Benched

interesting that they must select 3 goalies...

so 3 teams are losing a tender....

Originally Posted by Hackey

Even if left unprotected I still think Gillies would likely be safe. Can't imagine him being the 3rd best unprotected tender in the entire league.

AT LEAST 3 teams are losing a tender. 14 F, 9 D, and 3 G leaves 4 open picks. They could (but likely won't) pick as many as 7 goalies.

They will need at least 4 to fill out their NHL and AHL rosters. (though they will also have other options such as free agency)

One thing to keep in mind is that there will be a fair amount of goaltending talent available to them. Also, goalies take a long time to work their way through a teams system, so they make particularly good targets for a draft like this (focus on goalies and D in the expansion draft and then draft forwards in the regular draft).

tl;dr they will take more than 3 goalies

[calgarywinning]

Can't wait for Brad Treliving to start the 2016-2017 expansion PROCESS.

[Finger Cookin]

Originally Posted by Par

What about Gillies?

3 posts above yours it explains that Gilles is exempt unless the league comes up with some baffling new definition of pro experience specifically for the expansion draft.

Originally Posted by getbak

Well, hopefully, we'll get clarification soon on the exact definition so we won't have to guess for the next year.

I admire your optimism.

[Sylvanfan]

Wonder if the team would offer Engel land a one year extension. Less money than he currently makes, but he's been a good leader.

[Samonadreau]

Kevin will most likely be exposed with the Flames going 7/3/1.

[D as in David]

Originally Posted by Finger Cookin

Which of Jokipakka, Smid, Engelland, and Nakladal (throw in Wotherspoon, Sieloff, Culkin, Kulak, and Morrison if you like) is most likely to a) meet the 40/70 game requirement, and b) be signed into the 17-18 season? And if Jokipakka is protected, which of the remaining names is most likely to meet the two conditions?

In terms of games played to meet 40/70, everyone listed would need to play the following number of games with the Flames this season and be signed into 17-18:

Smid: 40 games (48 games to meet 70 over 2 seasons)
Engelland: 1
Nakladal: 40 (43)
Wotherspoon: 40 (59)
Sieloff: 40 (69)
Culkin: 40
Kulak: 40 (62)
Morrison: 40

Of those guys, Nakladal probably has the highest chance of being re-signed and playing 40 games.

I don't think Jokipakka will be exposed because he's not valued by the Flames. I'm thinking he'll need to be exposed because he'll have to be. He only needs a contract and 12 games to meet the requirements. The other candidates will either need to play in far more games than they are likely to, or need to be re-signed when it's unlikely the club will be interested in doing so.

Except, according to Getbak's post, this coming season would only be his second pro season under an NHL contract and would not be exposed.

[dying4acup]

Lol Yakupov in LV might be an interesting marriage....

[OzSome]

So Flames will lose one player to Las Vegas expansion draft eventually. My guess, LV will picking one of Flames best player not protected which is going to be Mikael Backlund(if Flames does not protect him) or a defenseman Derek Engelland because of his ties with Las Vegas. He played on their ECHL team Las Vegas Wranglers and still lives in the area. I am not worried that we will lose a goaltender on that draft.

[dying4acup]

Originally Posted by OzSome

So Flames will lose one player to Las Vegas expansion draft eventually. My guess, LV will picking one of Flames best player not protected which is going to be Mikael Backlund or a defenseman Derek Engelland because of his ties with Las Vegas. He played on their ECHL team Las Vegas Wranglers and still lives in the area. I am not worried that we will lose a goaltender on that draft.

What makes u think Backlund won't be protected?

[AC]

Absolutely no chance the Flames leave Backlund exposed to the draft.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Engelland will be a pending UFA and no way Backlund isn't protected. He would be protected even under the 8-1 scenario.

Jokipakka is looking like a guy we could lose. Ferland could also be lost. If I was was betting money on it now, they would be my horses.

[dying4acup]

At this point there are 6 players guaranteed to be protected.

Gio
Brodie
Hamilton
Monahan
Gaudreau
Bennett

After that it mostly depends who is on the roster and what happens next season.