[Signing] Canadiens sign Carey Price to 8 Year, $10.5m Contract Extension

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

Arizona, Carolina, Colorado, Detroit, Edmonton (not for long), NJ, NYI, Tor, and LV.

The Oilers will come off that list any day, the Islanders are working on Tavares, and Toronto's clock is ticking.

So it's basically the Flames and the lottery teams. Sweet.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by OzSome

Here we go. Thank that idiot Chiarelli in trying to sign McDavid for $13M a season. The big contract like over $10M to good player will now start coming up.

Crosby averages over 10.5M a year until he's 35.
Parise averages over 10M a year until he's 35.
Weber averages 11M a year until he's 35.
Suter averages 10M a year until he's 35.
Ovechkin, going forward, makes 10M a year now until he's 35. He signed his contract in 2008 with a cap-hit of 9.5M+.
Lundqvist makes over 10M a year until he's 35.
Kane and Toews make 10.5M a year.
Kopitar averages over 10M a year until he's 35.
Burns is making 10M a year until he's 35 and signed until he's 39.
Benn makes 9.5M a year.
Subban makes 9M a year despite signing while still an RFA.


Top tier players have been making 10M in their primes long before McDavid entered the league. Price's contract will see him earn it past his prime, but no one should really be surprised that he reached 10M.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

Crosby averages over 10.5M a year until he's 35.
Parise averages over 10M a year until he's 35.
Weber averages 11M a year until he's 35.
Suter averages 10M a year until he's 35.
Ovechkin, going forward, makes 10M a year now until he's 35. He signed his contract in 2008 with a cap-hit of 9.5M+.
Lundqvist makes over 10M a year until he's 35.
Kane and Toews make 10.5M a year.
Kopitar averages over 10M a year until he's 35.
Burns is making 10M a year until he's 35 and signed until he's 39.
Benn makes 9.5M a year.
Subban makes 9M a year despite signing while still an RFA.


Top tier players have been making 10M in their primes long before McDavid entered the league. Price's contract will see him earn it past his prime, but no one should really be surprised that he reached 10M.

I believe he was referring to cap hit.

[MarkGio]

IMO if Price keeps playing the way he does up until his late 30s early 40s, he'll be a top 3-5 goalie of all time.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

I believe he was referring to cap hit.

Players get paid in money, not cap-hit. Why would Price care that Weber's cap hit is 7M when he knows Weber will average 10M a year in actual cash on his current contract until he retires? Players care about money, cap-hit might as well be Itchy and Scratchy Money.

Which again, players have been making 10M a year in their prime long before McDavid entered the league. Chiarelli has nothing to do with this contract.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

Players get paid in money, not cap-hit. Why would Price care that Weber's cap hit is 7M when he knows Weber will average 10M a year in actual cash on his current contract until he retires? Players care about money, cap-hit might as well be Itchy and Scratchy Money.

Which again, players have been making 10M a year in their prime long before McDavid entered the league. Chiarelli has nothing to do with this contract.

I never said they did.

I don't care what players actually get paid, I am only concerned about cap it, as it affects the team on the ice.

I'm looking at it from the fans perspective.

[Kipper_3434]

Originally Posted by MarkGio

IMO if Price keeps playing the way he does up until his late 30s early 40s, he'll be a top 3-5 goalie of all time.

No. If you have to win a cup to be considered an all time great, and guys like Ovechkin are automatically dismissed. Why should a goalie get a free pass.?

[getbak]

As the cap increases, the top salaries will also increase. It shouldn't be that hard to understand. The cap has nearly doubled since it was first introduced. Of course the top salaries have gone up too.

In fact, the top salaries haven't kept pace.



Iginla signed a $7 million contract coming out of the lockout. That's equivalent to a $13.46 million cap hit today. Not one player in the NHL has a contract with that big of a cap hit today (even McDavid's rumoured deal will be lower than that and it won't take effect for another year).

Khabibulin signed with Chicago coming out of the lockout for $6.75 million. That's almost $13 million under today's cap.


$10 million on a $75 million cap is like $5.2 million on a $39 million cap. Right now, 3 players have cap hits of at least $10 million for next season. In 2005-06, 22 players had cap hits over $5.2 million.

A $7 million cap hit today is like a $3.64 million hit in 2005-06. In 2005-06, 53 players were above that mark. Right now, for next season, the count is 37.

[MarkGio]

Originally Posted by Kipper_3434

No. If you have to win a cup to be considered an all time great, and guys like Ovechkin are automatically dismissed. Why should a goalie get a free pass.?

Because Montreal would be a basement dweller had it not been for Carey Price these past few years. Waiver pick ups like Byron are their key forwards and senior citizens like Markov were their minute eating defenseman.

Can't blame Price for their Scott Gomez era, nor can you blame him for their Subbam/Weber era. They just never have the roster to win a cup.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Kipper_3434

No. If you have to win a cup to be considered an all time great, and guys like Ovechkin are automatically dismissed. Why should a goalie get a free pass.?

That is nonsense. There are a number of players that would be in the conversation of "all time greats," even without a Stanley Cup on their resume. Ovechkin has been a ridiculously good player for the duration of his career which will end with him as one of the best goal-scorers of all time. Championships are important, but they are far from everything. In the end when comparing Carey Price to Chris Osgood or Alex Ovechkin to Dave Andrechuk the consensus will never change.

[White Out 403]

10 million for price seems perfectly reasonable to me.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Resurrection

10 million for price seems perfectly reasonable to me.

Absolutely. It is still far more money than I would want my team to tie up in goaltending.

Ultimately this begs the question of what sort of team one wants to build, and I think there is a delicate balance to be struck between skill and depth. I am much more comfortable with the direction that Treliving is going with the Flames than I would be with a team constructed around a +$10 m goalie.

[White Out 403]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Absolutely. It is still far more money than I would want my team to tie up in goaltending.

Ultimately this begs the question of what sort of team one wants to build, and I think there is a delicate balance to be struck between skill and depth. I am much more comfortable with the direction that Treliving is going with the Flames than I would be with a team constructed around a +$10 m goalie.

Sure but, 10 million for the best goaltender in the world who will be on the ice for all 60 mins a game? He's as close to a sure thing as you can find in the league.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Resurrection

Sure but, 10 million for the best goaltender in the world who will be on the ice for all 60 mins a game? He's as close to a sure thing as you can find in the league.

I don't disagree, and I think Carey Price's cap hit is perfectly acceptable. I am just not convinced that I would want to build a team around it.

[MarkGio]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

I don't disagree, and I think Carey Price's cap hit is perfectly acceptable. I am just not convinced that I would want to build a team around it.

I think if the Flames had Price in net in lieu of Smith + 5 million dollar player (ie, Brouwer + F. Hamilton) they're a monster hockey club.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by MarkGio

I think if the Flames had Price in net in lieu of Smith + 5 million dollar player (ie, Brouwer + F. Hamilton) they're a monster hockey club.

Sure, but is it possible to build such a team from the ground up? I seriously doubt it.

[djsFlames]

With Price in net, you can be weaker in another position and he will compensate for that single handedly (although the Habs are arguably mediocre in a couple positions) and he'll allow you to still have a chance against anyone. I don't have an issue with the cap hit either.

Teams look for years for a sure thing in net, and Price is one of very few.

Would you guys hypothetically give up the difference between Smith's cap hit and Price's right now to bring him in? Of course you would.

[Locke]

With Price they're a playoff team, albeit not a contender. Without him...well it isnt pretty.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

With Price in net, you can be weaker in another position and he will compensate for that single handedly (although the Habs are arguably mediocre in a couple positions) and he'll allow you to still have a chance against anyone. I don't have an issue with the cap hit either.

Teams look for years for a sure thing in net, and Price is one of very few.

Would you guys hypothetically give up the difference between Smith's cap hit and Price's right now to bring him in? Of course you would.

Sure, but that is not remotely possible. There is no conceivable world in which the Flames could bring in Price and his salary sans Smith without also sacrificing something else fairly significant.

Like I said, there is always a delicate balance to be struck, and I remain unconvinced that committing more than $11.0 m of a team's cap to goaltending is wise in the light of that balance.

[CaptainCrunch]

People were thinking that a guy like Price should top out at 9 million bucks a year. This is a reasonable deal for him. Frankly he should have been pushing for 12, I mean the rest of that team is hot garbage.