07-02-2017, 01:01 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: CGY
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Really tough to pay any player that kind of money but impossible to let him walk and extremely difficult to trade.
Flames have to be one of the only teams in the league where the highest cap hit is under $7M.
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07-02-2017, 01:02 PM
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#42
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Saving the world one gif at a time
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I wonder how the Habs will get out of this when his knee blows out in a couple years.
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07-02-2017, 01:05 PM
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#43
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Dec 2016
Location: Alberta
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Originally Posted by OzSome
Here we go. Thank that idiot Chiarelli in trying to sign McDavid for $13M a season. The big contract like over $10M to good player will now start coming up. Next thing you know every single player who had a great season will demand that much. Just look at Draisatl.. one good season in the NHL and they think he deserves $9M plus a season. Radulov is the same thing so who's next? Are we going to have problem when Gaudreau and Monahan's contract renewal comes up?
I am not saying Carey Price or Connor McDavid does not deserve big contract but not that much. There's always an idiot GM that ruins things for the league. Back then it was Glen Sather of NY Rangers and that Philiadelphia GM who's throwing big contracts left and right. Suddenly teams in Canada and small market teams can't compete and bunch of teams were in trouble.
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so it's chia's fault for all of this? that makes no sense.
it's not chia who says drai deserves 9 million. he hasn't said anything about number.
wait until drai actually signs a contract or offer sheet before you spread blame around.
and it isn't the contract of a top 5 player in the world that screws up a salary structure.
wait until chia pulls a kevin lowe before you nail him to the cross.
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07-02-2017, 01:06 PM
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#44
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Acerbic Cyberbully
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: back in Chilliwack
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Originally Posted by djsFlames
Yeah draisaitl really doesn't have the track record to be demanding 9 or 10 mil. You really need a longer resume of that production to demand that amount...aka be considered 'bonafide'.
Johnnys 78 point season earned him 6.75. I think that should roughly be Leon's ballpark as well. But I sincerely hope Edmonton follows this new trend and caves for 9 because I want to see them burn in cap hell and suffer poor depth for the duration of those contracts.
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Gaudreau had virtually no leverage in his contract negotiation, whereas Draisaitl has nearly all of it. That makes the difference in what he is actually worth, and on the market he is worth over $9.0 m. Of course, I don't believe he is actually good enough of a player to earn that contract, but that is another story.
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07-02-2017, 01:09 PM
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#45
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Acerbic Cyberbully
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: back in Chilliwack
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Canadiens sign Carey Price to 8 Year, $10.5m Contract Extension
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Originally Posted by GordonBlue
...and it isn't the contract of a top 5 player in the world that screws up a salary structure.
wait until chia pulls a kevin lowe before you nail him to the cross.
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He has already done that. The contracts he gifted to Lucic and Russell are franchise crippling.
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07-02-2017, 01:14 PM
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#46
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Wolfman
I wonder how the Habs will get out of this when his knee blows out in a couple years.
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Insurance and LTIR will take care of that nicely.
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07-02-2017, 01:14 PM
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#47
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy
Ah well, have fun carrying that team for the rest of your career Carey.
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His names "Carey" for a reason
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07-02-2017, 01:15 PM
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#48
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Vinny01
Flames have to be one of the only teams in the league where the highest cap hit is under $7M.
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It's called not having any elite players who have reached UFA at a reasonably young age.
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07-02-2017, 01:21 PM
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#49
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Acerbic Cyberbully
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: back in Chilliwack
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Originally Posted by The Cobra
It's called not having any elite players who have reached UFA at a reasonably young age.
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I think the Flames have been incredibly fortunate. The salary structure and the timing of their free agent extensions have all come at fortuitous times and under favourable conditions. The fact that the current team will likely not have a +$7.0 m contract against the cap for at least three more years is a massive advantage, and helps to illustrate why Treliving has approached this summer with such urgency.
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07-02-2017, 01:21 PM
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#50
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GordonBlue
so it's chia's fault for all of this? that makes no sense.
it's not chia who says drai deserves 9 million. he hasn't said anything about number.
wait until drai actually signs a contract or offer sheet before you spread blame around.
and it isn't the contract of a top 5 player in the world that screws up a salary structure.
wait until chia pulls a kevin lowe before you nail him to the cross.
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Lucic says hi.
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07-02-2017, 01:23 PM
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#51
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Boca Raton, FL
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy
I'm not saying they should trade him, I'm just saying that in the cap world it's pretty funny how one of the league's top players can instantly become untradeable at the stroke of a pen.
He's the best goalie in the league (IMO). Despite that however, the contract he just signed makes him virtually untradeable.
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Just wanted to highlight this word because people said that Luongo was untradeable too. It wouldn't shock me to see Price traded at some point. The Habs haven't shown any ability to properly build a team in years, so I'm betting he'll want out at some point.
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If we can't fall in love with replaceable bottom 6 players then the terrorists have won.
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07-02-2017, 01:24 PM
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#52
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Textcritic
I think the Flames have been incredibly fortunate. The salary structure and the timing of their free agent extensions have all come at fortuitous times and under favourable conditions. The fact that the current team will likely not have a +$7.0 m contract against the cap for at least three more years is a massive advantage, and helps to illustrate why Treliving has approached this summer with such urgency.
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Yup. The timing of getting Giordano, Brodie, Gaudreau and Monahan signed was perfect.
They have Tkachuk and (eventually) Bennett looming, but with the salary structure in place, and assuming their window will actually be open by then, hopefully they can get done under the same umbrella.
We are sitting in really good shape for the medium term.
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07-02-2017, 01:26 PM
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#53
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Powerplay Quarterback
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I smell an aggravating injury that is well enough documented to pull a Hossa
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07-02-2017, 01:26 PM
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#54
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Calgary
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I love the way Bergevin work (in the same sense that I love the way Chiarelli works). He knows he has to re-sign Price, Galchenyuk, Markov, maybe Radulov. So, what's the logical move? Trade the one guy that might have contributed significantly on an ELC (Sergachyov) for another expensive RFA.
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07-02-2017, 01:29 PM
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#55
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In the Sin Bin
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Originally Posted by OzSome
Here we go. Thank that idiot Chiarelli in trying to sign McDavid for $13M a season. The big contract like over $10M to good player will now start coming up. Next thing you know every single player who had a great season will demand that much. Just look at Draisatl.. one good season in the NHL and they think he deserves $9M plus a season. Radulov is the same thing so who's next? Are we going to have problem when Gaudreau and Monahan's contract renewal comes up?
I am not saying Carey Price or Connor McDavid does not deserve big contract but not that much. There's always an idiot GM that ruins things for the league. Back then it was Glen Sather of NY Rangers and that Philiadelphia GM who's throwing big contracts left and right. Suddenly teams in Canada and small market teams can't compete and bunch of teams were in trouble.
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Much as I am certain you feel really big needlessly bringing the Oilers into this, I would like to point out that Jarome Iginla's contract in 2006-07 (the first year the cap was properly set against HRR) was a greater percentage of our payroll than Price's deal is.
You're overreacting to something that isn't new. At all.
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07-02-2017, 01:44 PM
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#56
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tromboner
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: where the lattes are
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OzSome
Here we go. Thank that idiot Chiarelli in trying to sign McDavid for $13M a season. The big contract like over $10M to good player will now start coming up. Next thing you know every single player who had a great season will demand that much. Just look at Draisatl.. one good season in the NHL and they think he deserves $9M plus a season. Radulov is the same thing so who's next? Are we going to have problem when Gaudreau and Monahan's contract renewal comes up?
I am not saying Carey Price or Connor McDavid does not deserve big contract but not that much. There's always an idiot GM that ruins things for the league. Back then it was Glen Sather of NY Rangers and that Philiadelphia GM who's throwing big contracts left and right. Suddenly teams in Canada and small market teams can't compete and bunch of teams were in trouble.
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The league has cost certainty. If you think these contracts are overpayments, then by definition a GM who does not follow along would have an advantage. Nothing is being "ruined". If that's not the case, then the star players are merely getting compensation appropriate for their talents, and I have no objection to that.
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07-02-2017, 01:47 PM
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#57
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Dec 2016
Location: Alberta
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Textcritic
He has already done that. The contracts he gifted to Lucic and Russell are franchise crippling.
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but Ozsome was saying chia is ruining the salary structure of the league. chia is just screwing his own team, not others.
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07-02-2017, 01:49 PM
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#58
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Hyperbole Chamber
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Vinny01
Really tough to pay any player that kind of money but impossible to let him walk and extremely difficult to trade.
Flames have to be one of the only teams in the league where the highest cap hit is under $7M.
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Arizona, Carolina, Colorado, Detroit, Edmonton (not for long), NJ, NYI, Tor, and LV.
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07-02-2017, 01:49 PM
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#59
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by the2bears
Sign and trade? Get 'er done Treliving.
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Use the Jedi mind trick on them .brad:you wanna trade Carey Price to me . Marc: I wanna trade carey price to you. Brad k .deal
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07-02-2017, 02:02 PM
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#60
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Acerbic Cyberbully
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: back in Chilliwack
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Quote:
Originally Posted by topfiverecords
Arizona, Carolina, Colorado, Detroit, Edmonton (not for long), NJ, NYI, Tor, and LV.
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Within one year's time the Oilers and the Maple Leafs will have more than one +$7.0 m contract on the books for many years. The Flames will not for at least another three. And look at the rest of that list: with the lone exception of NYI virtually every one of those teams is awful.
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