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Old 11-01-2016, 09:45 AM   #41
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They way I look at it is that you expose one of Frolik, Brouwer or Jokipakka.

I really like Jokipakka's game, but he's a depth D whereas Frolik and Brouwer are key pieces at the moment and over the next 2 seasons.

I expose Jokipakka and hope for the best.
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Old 11-01-2016, 09:51 AM   #42
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I think it's very possible if Shinkaruk has a big AHL season and the Flames see him in their top six, yes.

Quoting Frolik as the 2nd highest scorer after 10 games is somewhat silly ... he's a 15 goal guy making 4.5M. I like the player and I'm not looking to lose him, but his price tag may be enough to have Vegas look elsewhere
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Old 11-01-2016, 10:33 AM   #43
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I think it will take more than a big AHL season from a forward prospect to convince the Flames to expose Frolik. If we a see a terrible season from Frolik, or perhaps an injury plagued one, combined with a replacement forward from Stockton stepping up in a big way on the big club, I could see Frolik being exposed. Otherwise, I'm skeptical. But only time will tell, of course.
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Old 11-01-2016, 11:59 AM   #44
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Quoting Frolik as the 2nd highest scorer after 10 games is somewhat silly ... he's a 15 goal guy making 4.5M. I like the player and I'm not looking to lose him, but his price tag may be enough to have Vegas look elsewhere
Meh, if that's the argument then we should be exposing Brouwer... makes the same money as Frolik, has the same career PPG rate but is on the wrong side of 30.

Really, the truth most likely is that both get protected.
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Old 11-01-2016, 02:08 PM   #45
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Will the list of protected/unprotected players be made public? Or only available to the expansion team?
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Old 11-01-2016, 02:22 PM   #46
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Will the list of protected/unprotected players be made public? Or only available to the expansion team?
Good question...knowing the NHL it will likely be a hidden list until someone like Friedman leaks it
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Old 11-01-2016, 02:59 PM   #47
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Will the list of protected/unprotected players be made public? Or only available to the expansion team?
There will probably be a four hour "expansion draft protected list" special with Bill Daly and the HNIC panel.
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Don't forget Vegas will be picking 30 players, plus have the ability to sign UFA's. So they will be looking for a mix of vets, roster players and prospects. (Obviously some prospects are not available)
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Old 11-01-2016, 03:50 PM   #49
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I wouldn't think that Frolik would get passed over in the expansion draft. He is what I call a 'high end utility player' - the type of player that all coaches really love to have on their teams, and that can play in all situations.

Now, his price tag might be a little rich (debatable really), but it is a team starting with zero cap hits, and who probably will need to sign overpriced mid-level vets in the UFA season to hit the cap floor.

I get the argument that maybe the Flames might view the latter half of Frolik's contract as a bit of a negative, but unless his game drops off a cliff I don't see them exposing him.

Flames would have to be very high on Shinkaruk, or Poirier has to return to his 1st year numbers and then some. I think Vegas takes the easy bet and selects Jokipakka. Decent depth defencemen can help a young team quite a lot (as could Frolik). Brouwer I would say they protect, especially after being given an A.

If Frolik wasn't so damn consistent, game in and game out, I would agree he would be a good player to expose.
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Old 11-01-2016, 04:02 PM   #50
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Quoting Frolik as the 2nd highest scorer after 10 games is somewhat silly ... he's a 15 goal guy making 4.5M. I like the player and I'm not looking to lose him, but his price tag may be enough to have Vegas look elsewhere
IIRC that was what we thought about Brian Skrudland.
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Old 11-01-2016, 04:05 PM   #51
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I wouldn't be surprised if the Flames exposed someone like Frolik in this process. A free agent signing with 3/5 of his contract done is essentially at the crossroads in his contract (first 60% benefits the Flames more than the last 40%).

Is he washed up? Of course not, but he makes good coin and should do less in years 4 and 5 then he's done in years 1-3.

He likely wouldn't get taken anyway, and the Flames could add their biggest worry between Poirier and Shinkaruk to the list.
I disagree. I'd protect Frolik before Shinkaruk or Poirier 10 times out of 10. I doubt Shinkaruk or Poirier would be claimed.
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Old 11-01-2016, 04:14 PM   #52
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Would Vegas actually take Gio if he was exposed? With his salary and age? I'd say its 50-50.

Or does he have a NMC that prevents him being exposed?
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Was thinking that if Stajan keeps playing at the level he is currently playing at, that there is a chance they would claim him in expansion draft. Lots of talk that it would be Kulak or Jookki, but some people were telling me that there is going to be a long list of #4-5 d-men available for expansion draft. Vegas still needs forwards, veteran help and to be able to reach cap min. While i agree Stajan is paid far to much , he could help with the above reasons given. He would also be in the last year of his deal and be a good trade chip at the deadline for Vegas. All that said , i might be out of my mind thinking Stajan could be picked in expansion draft.
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Old 11-08-2016, 02:32 PM   #54
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Would Vegas actually take Gio if he was exposed? With his salary and age? I'd say its 50-50.

Or does he have a NMC that prevents him being exposed?
I expect they wouldn't think twice and would snap him up. They are going to have to reach the cap floor and would get a top 15 Dman and an instant captain. Doubt the Flames would consider exposing him, I'm sure there is a trade market for a player of Gio's caliber regardless of his contract.
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I wouldn't be surprised if the Flames exposed someone like Frolik in this process. A free agent signing with 3/5 of his contract done is essentially at the crossroads in his contract (first 60% benefits the Flames more than the last 40%).

Is he washed up? Of course not, but he makes good coin and should do less in years 4 and 5 then he's done in years 1-3.

He likely wouldn't get taken anyway, and the Flames could add their biggest worry between Poirier and Shinkaruk to the list.
I agree with Bingo. The cap savings alone would allow us to fill an actual hole on the roster and add a top six forward. Middle six guys - Frolik, and Brouwer, can be replaced from farm players like Klimchuk and Poirier or Marchessault type bargain bin signings. I firmly believe your cap needs to be concentrated on the top of your roster, where we are VERY thin and young.

I also am starting to think it would be a good smoke screen to allow Kulak to be firmly in our top four D next year.
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Old 11-08-2016, 02:54 PM   #56
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I expect they wouldn't think twice and would snap him up. They are going to have to reach the cap floor and would get a top 15 Dman and an instant captain. Doubt the Flames would consider exposing him, I'm sure there is a trade market for a player of Gio's caliber regardless of his contract.
If Gio's bad season continues and is evidence of a big drop off in play, that might changes things (on both sides of the thought process).
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Old 11-09-2016, 09:00 PM   #57
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Will the list of protected/unprotected players be made public? Or only available to the expansion team?
I suspect that the public will never have access to the lists, and I wouldn't be surprised at all if the players on the team never even know who is protected.

It could build resentment among players if they think they should have been protected over someone else.

I think all we will see is a list of the players taken, with the team they came from, and that's it.
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Old 11-09-2016, 10:56 PM   #58
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Giving up Gio to a division opponent for nothing would come back to harm us
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Giving up Gio to a division opponent for nothing would come back to harm us
It might for a year or two but that contract has the potential to be really bad.

Still a horrible idea to give him up for nothing though.
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I suspect that the public will never have access to the lists, and I wouldn't be surprised at all if the players on the team never even know who is protected.

It could build resentment among players if they think they should have been protected over someone else.

I think all we will see is a list of the players taken, with the team they came from, and that's it.
The protected lists have always been public. There's no reason to think that would change now.
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