09-28-2016, 10:08 AM
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That's crazy! Some of the reasoning behind a 55 flex must be because of the length though. Like a 55 on a 5'9 stick wouldn't be the same as a 55 on a 6'4 stick would it? Or is that where the uncut part comes in?
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09-28-2016, 10:12 AM
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#82
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GOAT!
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I'm 5'3" and my whole life I've been buying senior sticks and cutting them in half... I should be buying the little sticks instead!
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09-28-2016, 10:15 AM
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#83
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by Leeman4Gilmour
He's basically using the same flex as a PeeWee......maybe even novice.
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Good plug here for the boys at Raven.
The above chart shows what happens when you cut a stick, instead of using one which is the correct height for the player.
Also, they are going to be on Dragons' Den on October 19...
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09-28-2016, 10:15 AM
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#84
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First Line Centre
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Quote:
Originally Posted by FanIn80
That's crazy! Some of the reasoning behind a 55 flex must be because of the length though. Like a 55 on a 5'9 stick wouldn't be the same as a 55 on a 6'4 stick would it? Or is that where the uncut part comes in?
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The flex would be the same, but if you want a shot to load up a stick a similar distance on a shorter stick, you'll need to bend the stick more, and therefore a higher flex.
I'm 5'11, 215 and I play with an uncut 75 flex (it's about 2" shorter than an uncut 85") and I use it because it lets me be a lot more deceptive with my wrist shot since I barely need to put any weight on it to get it to load up. The slap shots suck, but for the kind of shinny I play, the opportunities for slap shots are minimal.
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09-28-2016, 10:16 AM
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#85
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That Crazy Guy at the Bus Stop
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Well the other thing is that most people use too high a flex to begin with. Most people don't have the height/weight/muscle to use the same flex as NHLers, yet they frequently do.
For Johnny to use that type of flex, given his size, shouldn't be terribly surprising.
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09-28-2016, 10:17 AM
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#86
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First Line Centre
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Quote:
Originally Posted by FanIn80
That's crazy! Some of the reasoning behind a 55 flex must be because of the length though. Like a 55 on a 5'9 stick wouldn't be the same as a 55 on a 6'4 stick would it? Or is that where the uncut part comes in?
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The level of flex of a stick is the same regardless of the stick length.
Ie. A 55 flex is a 55 flex, no matter how long or short it is MADE.
Once it is cut, it changes the flex, as per the chart.
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09-28-2016, 10:18 AM
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#87
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For perspective, Zdeno Chara uses the stiffest shaft ever at 160 flex.
The most common flex among NHLers is by far in the 90-100 range, then the 100-110 range, followed by the 80-90 range. The 70-80 range is quickly becoming popular with forwards in today's game, but still lags behind those. Likewise, anything over 110 is typically used by stay-at-home defencemen.
The other difference is the lie. Most retail sticks are in the 5-6 range, while most NHLers are moving up, to the point 7 is the most common now (followed by 6). Not much space out there these days so can't have the puck way out wide.
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09-28-2016, 10:22 AM
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#88
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GOAT!
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sworkhard
The flex would be the same, but if you want a shot to load up a stick a similar distance on a shorter stick, you'll need to bend the stick more, and therefore a higher flex.
I'm 5'11, 215 and I play with an uncut 75 flex (it's about 2" shorter than an uncut 85") and I use it because it lets me be a lot more deceptive with my wrist shot since I barely need to put any weight on it to get it to load up. The slap shots suck, but for the kind of shinny I play, the opportunities for slap shots are minimal.
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Originally Posted by IamNotKenKing
The level of flex of a stick is the same regardless of the stick length.
Ie. A 55 flex is a 55 flex, no matter how long or short it is MADE.
Once it is cut, it changes the flex, as per the chart.
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Ah yes, I get it now. Yikes, based on what I've been buying and how much I've been cutting them, I've probably been running around with a 120 flex my whole life. No wonder I can't do anything with a puck and have to stick to street hockey lol.
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09-28-2016, 10:52 AM
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#89
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Scoring Winger
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Quote:
Originally Posted by IamNotKenKing
Good plug here for the boys at Raven.
The above chart shows what happens when you cut a stick, instead of using one which is the correct height for the player.
Also, they are going to be on Dragons' Den on October 19...
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Bauer and CCM now both produce softer flex youth sticks (20, 25, 30, 35, 40 between the 2 brands). But yes it was Raven that originally addressed the problem of 40-60 pound kids using sticks way too stiff.
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09-28-2016, 10:58 AM
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger
Well the other thing is that most people use too high a flex to begin with. Most people don't have the height/weight/muscle to use the same flex as NHLers, yet they frequently do.
For Johnny to use that type of flex, given his size, shouldn't be terribly surprising.
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Why do you make that claim? On every men's league team I've played on we had everything from 70 flex to 110.
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09-28-2016, 11:03 AM
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First Line Centre
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CroFlames
Why do you make that claim? On every men's league team I've played on we had everything from 70 flex to 110.
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Broadly and generally speaking, people use a stick that is stiffer than would be optimal for their strength and skill level. But, if that's what a player is comfortable with, regardless of the level, then it is arguably the "right" flex, even if likely too stiff...
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09-28-2016, 11:04 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CroFlames
Why do you make that claim? On every men's league team I've played on we had everything from 70 flex to 110.
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Yeah that's a weird statement. NHLers are good hockey players not super strong athletes who are the only ones that can use a high flex stick. In any men's league I've played the guys have been pretty big and strong as well. Don't see the issue with using 70-110 flex. I'm not the biggest guy and I have no problem using a 100+ flex.
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09-28-2016, 11:14 AM
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#93
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Powerplay Quarterback
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I started using an Easton aluminum again for laughs and nostalgia.
What a terrible stick. Good for slashing though...
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09-28-2016, 11:24 AM
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by IamNotKenKing
Broadly and generally speaking, people use a stick that is stiffer than would be optimal for their strength and skill level. But, if that's what a player is comfortable with, regardless of the level, then it is arguably the "right" flex, even if likely too stiff...
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Again, where is this coming from? I've never seen evidence of that.
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09-28-2016, 11:39 AM
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GOAT!
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This board might be the wrong place to mention comment like that, since its members are hockey-mad people of whom quite a few most likely play on hockey teams themselves.
I think we was referring to people who (like me) just walk into a store and find a stick that looks cool and has a name on it that I like (P. Forsberg!), cut it down and then go play. Whether or not the casual hockey crowd represents "most" people or not is probably up for discussion though.
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09-28-2016, 12:13 PM
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#97
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First Line Centre
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This thread is very interesting with all the hard vs soft, cut vs uncut, long vs short, big vs small discussions.....
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09-28-2016, 12:16 PM
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#98
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Powerplay Quarterback
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09-28-2016, 12:19 PM
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#99
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Otto-matic
Can we stop quoting that image of Wayne, that would be great!
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Originally Posted by undercoverbrother
So did Wayner
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Which one? This one? You got it man!
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09-28-2016, 12:44 PM
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#100
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That Crazy Guy at the Bus Stop
Join Date: Jun 2010
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CroFlames
Why do you make that claim? On every men's league team I've played on we had everything from 70 flex to 110.
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From what I've seen most people want to use a higher flex regardless of their size.
There was an article/video that said something similar but I can't find it now. Basically most people overestimate their size/strength and equate lower flex with being weak and unmanly.
Edit: the raven site explains the same idea, there is a link earlier in this very thread. I read/saw something almost identical but it was about flex for adults. Basically if you are 180lbs and you cut the stick you end up with flex quite a bit lower than what you bought. Now you should have a stick at 90 but you bought at 100 and cut it so it is more like 115 that is made for a player who is 230lbs.
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