[News] With the 53rd OA pick the Flames select D Rasmus Andersson

[jg13]

Currently 2nd in Defensemen scoring in the OHL

34GP, 7G, 22A, +9

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by jg13

Currently 2nd in Defensemen scoring in the OHL

34GP, 7G, 22A, +9

I watched a bit of a Barrie game a while back and this guy is good. He just seems to have that ability to get to top speed faster than most and that really helps with the transition game.

[Hackey]

Sweden down a goal here with 2 minutes to go. Could have used some extra offense from the back end.

[Ashasx]

Andersson has a pretty good 20-year old season

dellowhockey‏ @dellowhockey
Best age 20 D seasons by difference in GF%.on and GF%.off.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Andersson has a pretty good 20-year old season

dellowhockey‏ @dellowhockey
Best age 20 D seasons by difference in GF%.on and GF%.off.

You seem to be good at finding these stats.

Out of curiosity how does Kylington stack up vs. other 19 year old Dmen seasons in the AHL?

[getbak]

I have no idea how to interpret any of those numbers, but if it says that Andersson is better than Subban, I guess that's a good thing.

[Ashasx]

The chart is essentially showing how the team performs when Andersson is on the ice versus when he is off. When Andersson is one the ice, the team scores significantly more goals than it allows relative to when Andersson is off the ice.

Andersson has the 2nd best ratio for any 20 year old defenceman in the AHL since the 04/05 lockout.

[Since1984]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

The chart is essentially showing how the team performs when Andersson is on the ice versus when he is off. When Andersson is one the ice, the team scores significantly more goals than it allows relative to when Andersson is off the ice.

Andersson has the 2nd best ratio for any 20 year old defenceman in the AHL since the 04/05 lockout.

Now hopefully he takes his summer training regimen super seriously and gains some foot speed. If he can improve his skating over the next couple of seasons, the sky is the limit for this kid.

[united]

Originally Posted by getbak

I have no idea how to interpret any of those numbers, but if it says that Andersson is better than Subban, I guess that's a good thing.

At even strength with Andersson was on the ice, the Heat scored 46 goals and allowed 25. At even strength with Andersson off the ice, the Heat scored 70 goals and allowed 71. Converted to percentages, the Heat scored 64.8% of the goals in the game while he was on the ice, but that dropped to 49.6% with him on the bench.
64.8% - 49.6% = +15.2%, the second-highest differential.

[ThePrince]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

The chart is essentially showing how the team performs when Andersson is on the ice versus when he is off. When Andersson is one the ice, the team scores significantly more goals than it allows relative to when Andersson is off the ice.

Andersson has the 2nd best ratio for any 20 year old defenceman in the AHL since the 04/05 lockout.

I still don't get this. Everyone is always so quick to discount +/-, but isn't this basically the same thing?

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by ThePrince

I still don't get this. Everyone is always so quick to discount +/-, but isn't this basically the same thing?

+/- doesn't show your performance relative to the rest of your team.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by ThePrince

I still don't get this. Everyone is always so quick to discount +/-, but isn't this basically the same thing?

It is - but makes up for the biggest criticism of +/- by comparing you to the performance of your team.

[Ashasx]

The image doesn't show possession or PDO numbers, so it isn't the end all, but it does show that Andersson obtained very good results on a mediocre team.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

The image doesn't show possession or PDO numbers, so it isn't the end all, but it does show that Andersson obtained very good results on a mediocre team.

Also doesn't normalize for Quality of Competition or Zone starts - which could lead to some misrepresentation if you are getting sheltered minutes against weak competition.

[united]

Originally Posted by ThePrince

I still don't get this. Everyone is always so quick to discount +/-, but isn't this basically the same thing?

As far as I know, Dellow removes empty net goals (you would be surprised how much of an impact this has) and instances were a team on the powerplay gets scored on, or a shorthanded team scores, all of which stupidly effect traditional +/-.

[Oil Stain]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

It is - but makes up for the biggest criticism of +/- by comparing you to the performance of your team.

I've been a little skeptical of using performance relative to team as an accurate measure of anything since Dellow and some other stats guys used it to push up Horcoff.

Horcoff was an above average player on a terrible team in those times, but I remember Dellow comparing Horcoff to Datsyuk and I just had to shake my head.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by united

As far as I know, Dellow removes empty net goals (you would be surprised how much of an impact this has) and instances were a team on the powerplay gets scored on, or a shorthanded team scores, all of which stupidly effect traditional +/-.

I'd say you deserve to have your + - effected if you can score on the PK or if you give up a goal on the PP.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Better for Andersson to be near the top of the list than the bottom, but there are still plenty of guys that have done nothing at the NHL level (Vernace, Kohn, Carlisle, etc) or very little.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

I'd say you deserve to have your + - effected if you can score on the PK or if you give up a goal on the PP.

It makes a nice little moralizing story, but it obscures the function of the statistic (such as it is). Basically, awarding pluses and minuses for shorthanded goals punishes players when their coach chooses to use them on the power play (because they risk minuses at that time but can never get pluses), and rewards them when the coach chooses to use them on the penalty kill.

If you fail when you had no possible way of succeeding, or succeed when you had no possible way of failing, should that even count?

[Jeff Lebowski]

Andersson has been passing my eye test with flying colours for a while now. He's got his head up and beating like a 3 man press with a great pass to the middle to breakout.

He holds pucks in and finds guys for passes. He's starting to shoot more - the PP time will be huge. Defensively, he's been very good too, detailed and just competing hard.

So many good little plays all over the place.