2016/2017 THE Premier League Thread

[cam_wmh]

Just ONCE show me these 5 together. PLEASE.
------------ Ibrahimovich
Rashford ---- Pogba ------ ????
----- Schneiderlin Carrick

[GirlySports]

would be martial on the left and rashford on the right?

[cam_wmh]

Sure it could be, but Martial might be hurt and hasn't impressed. Try any one of, Mata, Mkhitaryan, Memphis, Young, Martial, etc;

Those five are who I really want to see together.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by devo22

something that has really surprised me is how deep Ibra likes to drop. He's the better Rooney ... if you pair him with Rashford up front and support them from the wings, things would look pretty good IMO. But Ibra+Rooney simply doesn't work because they're operating in the same areas. I believe van Persie lamented the same in the Moyes season.

And yet hes 4 years older.

[devo22]

Originally Posted by Locke

And yet hes 4 years older.

not that surprising though when you consider that Ibra is a freak and Rooney has been in the league for 14 or 15 years. That's a lot of mileage.

[GirlySports]

I know that nobody follows Scottish Football here, but Joe Barton suspended by Rangers for 3 weeks for practice fight. http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports...eeks/90681930/

[Bagor]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

Rooney is basically Beckham at this point. He doesn't run (well), but is capable of sheer brilliance with a pass or shot. The problem is you could sometimes hide Beckham on the wing, and deal with no defense over there.

At what stage of Beckham's career are you talking about here and when was he ever hid on the wing?
Not to mention, if you have someone that doesn't run well the wing would be the last place to try and hide them. Sorry, doesn't make any sense.

[Slava]

Apparently Kane damaged ligaments in his ankle on Sunday and is expected to be out around 8 weeks. It's difficult to predict these things of course, so that is a fairly tentative timeline.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by Bagor

At what stage of Beckham's career are you talking about here and when was he ever hid on the wing?
Not to mention, if you have someone that doesn't run well the wing would be the last place to try and hide them. Sorry, doesn't make any sense.

The LA and beyond stage. With the new formations these days you can somewhat hide on the wing. Like in 4-2-3-1 it's the 2 central midfielders or the middle triangle who are the lawnmowers from box to box.

[cam_wmh]

Originally Posted by Bagor

At what stage of Beckham's career are you talking about here and when was he ever hid on the wing?
Not to mention, if you have someone that doesn't run well the wing would be the last place to try and hide them. Sorry, doesn't make any sense.

Yeah, I can't think of when either. Even when he was slow in L.A, he was their CM. Milan? PSG?


EDIT:

Originally Posted by GirlySports

The LA and beyond stage. With the new formations these days you can somewhat hide on the wing. Like in 4-2-3-1 it's the 2 central midfielders or the middle triangle who are the lawnmowers from box to box.

Beckham, played center midfield for LA.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by cam_wmh

Yeah, I can't think of when either. Even when he was slow in L.A, he was their CM. Milan? PSG?


EDIT:


Beckham, played center midfield for LA.

kind of. he would be either on the wing or right center of a 5 man midfield. 3-5-2 or 4-5-1 with Keane. Same thing in Milan.

Could United play an Italian-like 3-5-2? would it work?

[devo22]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

Could United play an Italian-like 3-5-2? would it work?

van Gaal tried it and it failed miserably. Generally think it doesn't really work in the PL.

It's hardly rocket science ... drop Rooney, play 4-3-3 with Pogba and two of Herrera, Schneiderlin and Carrick in midfield, plus two of Martial, Rashford, Mkhitaryan and Memphis on the wing.

[Senator Clay Davis]

But apparently dropping Rooney is more complicated than rocket science.

[cam_wmh]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

kind of. he would be either on the wing or right center of a 5 man midfield. 3-5-2 or 4-5-1 with Keane. Same thing in Milan.

Could United play an Italian-like 3-5-2? would it work?

Perhaps, as I only followed him fairweather in LA.

That said, this is how I recall.

[devo22]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

But apparently dropping Rooney is more complicated than rocket science.

well ... there is that theory that Rooney has some kind of clause in his contract that guarantees him playing time. It's obviously far fetched and I have been dismissive of it in the past myself, but really, what other explanation is there? Everybody sees and knows that he's past it and shouldn't be a starter. We can all laugh about Moyes, van Gaal and Mourinho for various reasons, but they have still been managers - and successful ones at that, more or less - for many years. Do we really believe that they are the only ones who don't see it? I doubt it.

The good thing is that the press is starting to turn on him, and that's a big surprise to me. His media buddies have all been finding excuses for him for years, but it seems the tide is finally turning. The only who's still defending him is Gary Neville lol. Right now, I highly doubt that there'd be any backlash in the media if Mourinho dropped him. Now or never.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by devo22

well ... there is that theory that Rooney has some kind of clause in his contract that guarantees him playing time. It's obviously far fetched and I have been dismissive of it in the past myself, but really, what other explanation is there? Everybody sees and knows that he's past it and shouldn't be a starter. We can all laugh about Moyes, van Gaal and Mourinho for various reasons, but they have still been managers - and successful ones at that, more or less - for many years. Do we really believe that they are the only ones who don't see it? I doubt it.

The good thing is that the press is starting to turn on him, and that's a big surprise to me. His media buddies have all been finding excuses for him for years, but it seems the tide is finally turning. The only who's still defending him is Gary Neville lol. Right now, I highly doubt that there'd be any backlash in the media if Mourinho dropped him. Now or never.

For a while I thought Van Gaal was brought in to be the sacrificial lamb, clean house and move players so the next manager wouldnt have to deal with it.

[devo22]

Originally Posted by Locke

For a while I thought Van Gaal was brought in to be the sacrificial lamb, clean house and move players so the next manager wouldnt have to deal with it.

... Louis van Feaster?

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by devo22

well ... there is that theory that Rooney has some kind of clause in his contract that guarantees him playing time. It's obviously far fetched and I have been dismissive of it in the past myself, but really, what other explanation is there? Everybody sees and knows that he's past it and shouldn't be a starter. We can all laugh about Moyes, van Gaal and Mourinho for various reasons, but they have still been managers - and successful ones at that, more or less - for many years. Do we really believe that they are the only ones who don't see it? I doubt it.

The good thing is that the press is starting to turn on him, and that's a big surprise to me. His media buddies have all been finding excuses for him for years, but it seems the tide is finally turning. The only who's still defending him is Gary Neville lol. Right now, I highly doubt that there'd be any backlash in the media if Mourinho dropped him. Now or never.

What some players can get in contracts never surprises me, so I could see it. If that's the case Mourinho should just make him a deal that you'll always be first off the bench so long as it's not an injury sub (like don't put him at FB for instance...). He still gets decent playing time and in a limited, 30-40 minute roll off the bench he could probably still be effective. But as I said until Mourinho solves this riddle he's probably destined to get himself fired in a year or two.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by devo22

... Louis van Feaster?

Pretty much.

[cam_wmh]

Originally Posted by devo22

well ... there is that theory that Rooney has some kind of clause in his contract that guarantees him playing time. It's obviously far fetched and I have been dismissive of it in the past myself, but really, what other explanation is there? Everybody sees and knows that he's past it and shouldn't be a starter. We can all laugh about Moyes, van Gaal and Mourinho for various reasons, but they have still been managers - and successful ones at that, more or less - for many years. Do we really believe that they are the only ones who don't see it? I doubt it.

The good thing is that the press is starting to turn on him, and that's a big surprise to me. His media buddies have all been finding excuses for him for years, but it seems the tide is finally turning. The only who's still defending him is Gary Neville lol. Right now, I highly doubt that there'd be any backlash in the media if Mourinho dropped him. Now or never.

What could United's penalty possibly be for not fulfilling that clause?
He can exit at next window? Money?