A Song of Ice and Fire **Spoilers** Now more TV talk!

[Bobblehead]

The lack of Direwolves has made the Bran storyline pretty bad. I never minded Bran since I liked the idea of a "broken" boy who battles the lure of living an active life through his wolf. Without that it is just depressing.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by Bobblehead

The lack of Direwolves has made the Bran storyline pretty bad. I never minded Bran since I liked the idea of a "broken" boy who battles the lure of living an active life through his wolf. Without that it is just depressing.

Good point. They definitely need to address his warg abilities soon. It is vital to his whole storyline going forward.

[Boblobla]

The Bran storyline is terrible in the books as well. He has so few chapters I wonder what they are going to do with the character. Especially since they are doing away with the Reeds.

[Bobblehead]

They stayed relatively true to the books in this episode (relatively being the key word).

[Cecil Terwilliger]

I figured they wouldn't disfigure Tyrion as badly as they do in the books.

[d_phaneuf]

Ya there was no way that was going to happen

They set it up well too where it was clear that Tyrion's work was the main reason that Stannis just didn't basically walk in to the castle but Tywin and the Tyrell's claim all the glory

[Oling_Roachinen]

Loved that episode. Especially loved the bell conversation between Tyrion and Varys, non-readers think it's just a little jab at marriages but us readers..oh we know.

Also loved that I found myself rooting for both sides of the battles at points. The actress who portrays Cersei I think is my new favourite actor on this show.

Probably my biggest disappointment, which is actually extremely small, is that Tyrion's chain was left out (which was obviously entire season not an episode specific complaint). There's just a huge difference between the book where Tyrion very riskily had all the blacksmiths making this huge ass chain instead of actually preparing for war by making/fixing weapons and armour, Tyrion knew that there was no hope to fight this battle "head-on" and that's why he really did deserve the credit for the win.

In the show he had pre-made wildfire put on a boat and used as a bomb, which was closer to just putting 2 and 2 together.


Anyways, I know a lot of fans are looking forward to the House of the Undying or some Winterfell action next episode but I'm really hoping to get a glimpse of Belwas and his squire, they may or may not be introduced, but I'd love for them to show up after the dragon burns down the House and help save Dany.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

^^^ actually I have no idea what secret meaning the Bells have.

[Bobblehead]

People in the TV thread think there will be some plot elements resolved next week? Suckers

And I can't believe there is only one more episode this season!

[d_phaneuf]

Originally Posted by Bobblehead

People in the TV thread think there will be some plot elements resolved next week? Suckers

And I can't believe there is only one more episode this season!

haha I saw that

"there's so much to wrap up next week..."

[Bobblehead]

It seems like most people who have not read the books seem to think Sansa has left with the Hound.

Of course maybe she has for the TV series - that would remove the need for Ser Dontos or the whole Tyrion/Sansa wedding which may help in speeding the story along.

[Coys1882]

Originally Posted by Bobblehead

People in the TV thread think there will be some plot elements resolved next week? Suckers

To hell with them in that thread I say!! They drew the line in the sand that caused us to choose sides. The schism that exists between us is on them - let them believe what they want. Fools.

[Bobblehead]

Originally Posted by Coys1882

To hell with them in that thread I say!! They drew the line in the sand that caused us to choose sides. The schism that exists between us is on them - let them believe what they want. Fools.

I wouldn't go that far. I tend to agree with them and if they don't want spoilers then it is almost impossible for anyone who has read the book to say much beyond answering character specific questions we know from the show (eg "who was this character"). Plus, there is enough divergence from the books that while we know how the story should progress, we don't know if that will be written into the show. While I think Sansa is still in the Hand's tower, with the changes in TV show I can't be sure.

Asoif has shown that no character is safe. The tropes of "the protagonist will always survive" was killed when Ned Stark's head rolled across the ground. That is one of the most compelling things about this series - you just never know; and that is refreshing. I can definitely see why a non-reader would be upset by almost anything that hints if a character is alive or dead, even if we, as people who have read the books, know that the info is inconsequential.

I actually like seeing the thought processes of the TV show only folk. It reminds me of what I was thinking of that point in the books. And I look forward to the surprise when those guesses are blown out of the water.

[Coys1882]

Sorry - I should have used green text.

[d_phaneuf]

Everywhere I read seems to think Sansa went with him, I don't see anyway that's possible

[Bobblehead]

Originally Posted by Coys1882

Sorry - I should have used green text.

Nah, that speech is something I have been mulling in my mind for a while. I used your post as a jumping off point. I just shouldn't have written it while at work and doing 3 other things at the same time.

[jammies]

I don't think Sansa went with the Hound, her question "You won't hurt me?" was, I think, because she was afraid he'd make her come with him even though she didn't want to. As I recall, in the books he also offered to take her away, and she declined, unfortunately for her.

I always feel bad because she annoys me with her stupid decisions and wilful blindness, but she really never has much of a chance. How could she be sure the Hound wasn't laying a trap at Joffrey's behest? We see the Hound flinch at the fire and decide he can't take being Joff's bitch anymore, but she doesn't see any of that, all she knows is that this man she fears has abruptly shown up in her chamber, where she has already retreated to get away from Cersei and her drunken madness.

[Handsome B. Wonderful]

Originally Posted by Bobblehead

It seems like most people who have not read the books seem to think Sansa has left with the Hound.

Of course maybe she has for the TV series - that would remove the need for Ser Dontos or the whole Tyrion/Sansa wedding which may help in speeding the story along.

If you do that, there's pretty much nothing left for Sansa to do for the rest of the series.

[Bobblehead]

Originally Posted by Handsome B. Wonderful

If you do that, there's pretty much nothing left for Sansa to do for the rest of the series.

Since she is still alive and kicking she may still have a role to play, but she hasn't really done anything yet.

So next she is: put aside by Joffrey, lets the Tyrrel's know how horrid Joffrey really is, gets married to Tyrion, escapes with Ser Dontos, meets up with Littlefinger, sees Littlefinger marry Lysa, see Littlefinger throw Lysa out the moon door (after she confesses killing Jon Arryn), and is a pawn of Littlefinger in his schemes.

None of those really require Sansa other than as a POV character to be able to see what happened. She may have a major role to play, but it hasn't happened yet.

Let her escape right now and you can cut the entire Tyrion wedding next season.

[Boblobla]

Then what happens with the hound and Sansa though? Does she get lost before the Hound and Arya meet up? I really hope they stick to the books for this one and she is still there.