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Old 06-08-2017, 10:56 PM   #1
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Icon35 The Islanders have really acquired Rielly

Some of you might dislike this deal... but I don't

To the Minnesota Wild:

LW Josh Bailey ($1.75 million for 1 year)
14th-overall
22nd-overall

To the New York Islanders:

D Morgan Rielly ($1.35 million for 1 year)
46th-overall

New lineup:

Radim Vrbata - Frans Nielsen - Thomas Vanek
Teuvo Teravainen - Derick Brassard - Jonathan Marchessault
xxxxxxx - Conor Sheary - Michael Frolik
Leo Komarov - Derek Ryan - Bryan Rust

Morgan Rielly - Adam Larsson
Paul Martin - Josh Manson
Thomas Hickey - Chris Wideman
Kevan Miller

Craig Anderson
Chad Johnson

If you're wondering what that 'xxxxxxx' is, well, 49th-overall is available.
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Old 06-09-2017, 06:42 AM   #2
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I dislike this deal.
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Old 06-09-2017, 07:19 AM   #3
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wow...I think Minny got the best of this one.
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Old 06-09-2017, 07:42 AM   #4
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Reilly is my boy and even I think that's too much for him. When he doesn't work out for you than I'll take him
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And Scorp jumps out to the early lead in the 2017/18 Risebrough voting.
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That's a great sell high by Grant. Very nice.
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Old 06-09-2017, 08:58 AM   #7
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Not sure why people think this is a bad deal. Why would I take anything less for a young #1 dman?
Bailey is a 3rd liner. The picks are mid to late - therefore the chances of me landing a top 4 dman or top 6 forward are 50/50 at best.
So in the long-run, Scorp assures himself of having a #1 dman, in contract control for many years. I gain some assets and bullets in the chamber from a draft POV.
But why would I move him for something like Bailey+14.
This time of year 1sts start to rise in value, but they are still what they are - magic beans that may or may not pay off.
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Old 06-09-2017, 09:06 AM   #8
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I see your reasoning but for me, the deal looks a little lop-sided. Bailey may be a "3rd liner" but he put up 56 points last season. Pretty darn good in my opinion. No knock on Rielly but I definitely think you won this deal on paper. We'll have to wait and see how the picks prove out.
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Old 06-09-2017, 09:09 AM   #9
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I think the jury is still out on Reilly being a #1 d-man. Had a really rough year last season and offensively seems to be a 30 point guy.

Josh Bailey is certainly not a 3rd liner. 2nd highest TOI for forwards on the Islanders and 56 points is certainly not 3rd line material.
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Old 06-09-2017, 09:10 AM   #10
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If Bailey's performance holds at that level it is a better deal for me, but historically he is more of a 30 point performer.
I enjoy these debates as I think it is fascinating to discuss value. I'm curious what people think would have been fair.
Again why would I trade a young #1 dman for something like Bailey+14 (if people think that's fair).
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Old 06-09-2017, 09:34 AM   #11
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lets be honest... Jake Gardiner is their #1 d-man. Willing to let him go for 3 top 10 1sts people, get your offers in!
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Again why would I trade a young #1 dman for something like Bailey+14 (if people think that's fair).
I'm not questioning why you would do this deal.
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Steep price to pay for a guy I don't think will be a legit #1 D.
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I'm not questioning why you would do this deal.
What do you think fair value should have been?
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Old 06-09-2017, 10:28 AM   #15
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IDK but for me, I think you probably received 1 draft pick too many in this deal. I could be wrong. I've made some doozy deals in the last year. Just my .02.
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Old 06-09-2017, 10:49 AM   #16
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I don't value Bailey very high so I actually think this deal is pretty fair...I actually like it from the Isles persepective as they get the best players in the deal for a bunch of question marks.
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IDK but for me, I think you probably received 1 draft pick too many in this deal. I could be wrong. I've made some doozy deals in the last year. Just my .02.
My counter would be to examine the quality of player that one gets in the mid and late 1st historically.
It ain't great.
Bailey+14 or Bailey+22 would not have even given me pause for thought.
Would you trade Jacob Trouba for Bailey+14?
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Old 06-09-2017, 11:33 AM   #18
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In a weak draft I think this is actually fairly decent for Reilly. He will be a stud, he was on Team NA and played very well last year. Really comes down to what you think of Bailey, I think he is more of a 3rd liner, I doubt he produces at the same rate this year. So I think it is worth it to add a mid and late 1st to upgrade to a younger D man with big potential. I'd call it a fair deal but I am a big believer in Reilly and it always pays to add young studs like that to an organization.
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Old 06-09-2017, 12:18 PM   #19
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The thing about Rielly is that many players in toronto are overvalued, I see him as a number 2 dman. I still think wild win the deal, but feel Rielly is overrated to an extent
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In a weak draft I think this is actually fairly decent for Reilly.

He will be a stud, he was on Team NA and played very well last year.

Really comes down to what you think of Bailey, I think he is more of a 3rd liner, I doubt he produces at the same rate this year. So I think it is worth it to add a mid and late 1st to upgrade to a younger D man with big potential. I'd call it a fair deal but I am a big believer in Reilly and it always pays to add young studs like that to an organization.
Agreed, with the 1st round picks. With a weak draft, these type of picks are more of a project type of a pick.

Could be difficult drafting prospects who will make the NHL.
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