06-26-2017, 10:34 AM
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#901
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by timbit
Serious question.
What qualities does Larsson possess that make him a better D than Hamonic?
I am aware there is a 2 year age difference and most hockey people would acquiesce that last season was an outlier for Hamonic
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They're basically polar opposites. If you ignore last season, Hamonic is somewhat above average in shot generation from his team while on the ice, while being slightly below average in shot suppression. Larsson is the exact opposite - fewer shots for, but fewer shots against. Hamonic has also traditionally eaten more minutes than Larsson.
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06-26-2017, 10:34 AM
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#902
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Lifetime Suspension
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Originally Posted by CliffFletcher
He's had multiple MCL injuries. That's a concern going forward.
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kudos.. you always find something...
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06-26-2017, 10:51 AM
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#903
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Calgary, AB
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Originally Posted by Fighting Banana Slug
I would value him more than a second for sure. 2 seconds? or a 1st? Not as sure. Wonder what others think, would you prefer the deal to have been 2018 first plus Fox?
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Fox
I honestly think we are under-rating him because he is a small d-man. The resume this guy has put up is unheralded - really he is our d-man version of Johnny Gaudreau.
US National Development Team: Highest scoring season by a d-man ever.
U-18 World Championship: Named tournament top d-man.
Harvard: Led all NCAA d-men in scoring as a freshman. The highest PPG in a season by a U-19 aged d-man in the NCAA since Bryan Leetch in 1986/87.
World Juniors: 4 points as an under age d-man and a gold medal.
Sure he is small but the numbers he has put up are unprecedented. At the same age he has outproduced guys like Werenski and McAvoy who look like studs right now. Or look at the similarly sized Gostisbehere who never did anything close to Fox at those levels.
He may never pan out but giving up on him now would be a big mistake based on his results so far.
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06-26-2017, 10:55 AM
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#904
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Acerbic Cyberbully
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: back in Chilliwack
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperMatt18
Fox
I honestly think we are under-rating him because he is a small d-man...
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It is not just his size. The reason a number of people are not sold on Fox is because of the combination of his below-average size and below-average skating. That is a combination that rightly causes some concern.
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06-26-2017, 10:59 AM
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#905
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First Line Centre
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Of course, Larson has missed time with significant injuries before, including back problems which resurfaced last year, but because he has been mostly healthy for a couple years, no one will bring this up. Does anyone say Backlund is injury prone anymore? They would have when he was Hamonic's age. The whole "injury prone" thing is a recency based fallacy. Unless there is major reconstructive surgery involved at an advanced age, this doesn't bother me in the least.
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06-26-2017, 11:03 AM
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#906
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Calgary, AB
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Textcritic
It is not just his size. The reason a number of people are not sold on Fox is because of the combination of his below-average size and below-average skating. That is a combination that rightly causes some concern.
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Honestly I'm not sure why the skating concerns started to pop up.
Whenever I've watched him his skating looked fine. He's not explosive like Erik Karlsson but his edge work and lateral movement is great.
Even if you look at this draft year profiles they all seem to mention skating as a strength.
https://www.habseyesontheprize.com/2...hts-defenceman
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06-26-2017, 11:05 AM
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#907
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#1 Goaltender
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Textcritic
It is not just his size. The reason a number of people are not sold on Fox is because of the combination of his below-average size and below-average skating. That is a combination that rightly causes some concern.
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I've not noticed below average skating the times I've watched him play. What's wrong with it?
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06-26-2017, 11:12 AM
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#908
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Franchise Player
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Jack Capuano was being interviewed on Sirius on my way into work - had nothing but glowing things to say about Hamonic, and said there were chunks of time last year when he was playing at 75% at best, but that he was a warrior who wanted to be out there helping his teammates.
I love this trade more and more as each day goes by. Travis Hamonic is making 200k less than Kris Russell for one fewer year. Stupid Oilers.
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06-26-2017, 11:14 AM
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#909
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by IrishSpring2013
kudos.. you always find something...
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Seems like a valid comment, doesn't it?
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06-26-2017, 11:16 AM
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#910
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Rick M.
I've not noticed below average skating the times I've watched him play. What's wrong with it?
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His acceleration or "separation" speed is average.
That is important in today's game, especially for a smaller man.
Could improve as he gets stronger or maybe, genetically, he doesn't have "fast twitch" muscle fibers.
Other than that, lots to like about him.
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06-26-2017, 11:17 AM
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#911
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: CGY
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I love the Oiler fan salt of the past few days. They can't help but go back to the Hamilton trade and compare what we have up for Dougie and Hamonic to what they gave up for Reinhart and Larson. While Larson is at least in the same category as Hamilton or Hamonic, Reinhart is not and was lost in expansion.
Treliving inherited 2 great Dmen from Sutter's time in Calgary and has gone out at added 2 more to complete arguably the best top 4 in the league
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06-26-2017, 11:19 AM
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#912
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Right behind you.
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Originally Posted by sureLoss
per Friedman, the Islanders really wanted a prospect from the Flames that Treliving wasn't willing to give up so they settled for all picks
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According to TSN the Leafs were offering the Isles a 1st rounder +JVR and were surprised that Snow didn't bite.
Tre either really sold the value of the second rounders, or Snow didn't want to deal Hamonic to an Eastern Conference team.
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06-26-2017, 11:22 AM
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#913
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Norm!
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Originally Posted by Gaudfather
According to TSN the Leafs were offering the Isles a 1st rounder +JVR and were surprised that Snow didn't bite.
Tre either really sold the value of the second rounders, or Snow didn't want to deal Hamonic to an Eastern Conference team.
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Or they saw JVR as a complementary player and not worth the trade.
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06-26-2017, 11:22 AM
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#914
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Upstate NY
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperMatt18
Fox
I honestly think we are under-rating him because he is a small d-man. The resume this guy has put up is unheralded - really he is our d-man version of Johnny Gaudreau.
US National Development Team: Highest scoring season by a d-man ever.
U-18 World Championship: Named tournament top d-man.
Boston University: Led all NCAA d-men in scoring as a freshman. The highest PPG in a season by a U-19 aged d-man in the NCAA since Bryan Leetch in 1986/87.
World Juniors: 4 points as an under age d-man and a gold medal.
Sure he is small but the numbers he has put up are unprecedented. At the same age he has outproduced guys like Werenski and McAvoy who look like studs right now. Or look at the similarly sized Gostisbehere who never did anything close to Fox at those levels.
He may never pan out but giving up on him now would be a big mistake based on his results so far.
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Fox attends Harvard
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06-26-2017, 11:25 AM
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#915
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Calgary, AB
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Flame19,289
Fox attends Harvard
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Thanks - was looking at McAvoy's stats as well and mixed it up.
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06-26-2017, 11:32 AM
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#916
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Income Tax Central
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Flame19,289
Fox attends Harvard
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A Harvard man eh?
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06-26-2017, 11:45 AM
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#917
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Locke
A Harvard man eh?
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Yep.
You can tell a Harvard man.
But not much.
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06-26-2017, 01:41 PM
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#918
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Owner
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by Textcritic
Good god. That is hilarious.
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Exactly the stuff that I've tried very hard to avoid with Calgarypuck for the past 17 years
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06-26-2017, 09:08 PM
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#919
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Threadkiller
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: 51.0544° N, 114.0669° W
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06-26-2017, 09:13 PM
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#920
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Lifetime Suspension
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Originally Posted by ricosuave
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Weitz
I think Oilers will offer Eberle +
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snicker...
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