[Trade] Vegas trades Methot to Dallas for 2020 2nd and Dylan Ferguson

[automaton 3]

Why even select Methot, if you're willing to let him go pretty much immediately for about tree fiddy?

Looks like the tank is well underway in LV.

[calgarywinning]

Everyone come down Engelland is still safe in Vegas.

[mrdonkey]

Surely the Knights could have coerced Ottawa into giving up more than a 2nd to not select Methot, given how important he was to their team. I can't say I get this move.

[FireGilbert]

Some odd moves made by Vegas so far. Sure it might work out long term but wow will they ever be bad next year.

Also, when was the last time a player was traded so soon after being drafted? The draft and trade is usually a NBA thing.

[EldrickOnIce]

Pretty simple answers to all the armchair GM's in this thread.
Ottawa was likely not willing to give up much to keep Methot.
Las Vegas doesn't really want to keep Methot.
29 other NHL teams aren't willing to give up much for Methot.

Seems to be a common theme.

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

Pretty simple answers to all the armchair GM's in this thread.
Ottawa was likely not willing to give up much to keep Methot.
Las Vegas doesn't really want to keep Methot.
29 other NHL teams aren't willing to give up much for Methot.

Seems to be a common theme.

That makes no sense. Surely Ottawa was willing to pay more. LV just didn't want a better package AND an additional player.

Also multiple teams had a better offer for Methot but LV just wants to take a worst package.

They are also dumb for not taking a Flames exposed players as they could surely flip them for a 3rd round pick easily!

[rhino]

So just wondering here, Marc Andre Fluery would rather waive his no move to go to a team that had to be paid to take him and is also ensuring that his time there they will suck instead of coming to an up and coming team that is making moves to push for a cup?

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

Surely the Knights could have coerced Ottawa into giving up more than a 2nd to not select Methot, given how important he was to their team. I can't say I get this move.

It sounds like GM's weren't happy how they felt McPhee held teams hostage and the tables are now turned with LV having a surplus of defensemen and teams aren't willing to help line their pockets further.

[SebC]

Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

Pretty simple answers to all the armchair GM's in this thread.
Ottawa was likely not willing to give up much to keep Methot.
Las Vegas doesn't really want to keep Methot.
29 other NHL teams aren't willing to give up much for Methot.

Seems to be a common theme.

There's still plenty of armchair GMing to do in that scenario...

Did Ottawa not make a mistake?
Should Las Vegas really be going full tank as they are?
Did another team miss out on a good trade by not offering more?

I would argue that there's a lot more bad GMing in your scenario than in the scenario where McPhee screwed this one up.

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by rhino

So just wondering here, Marc Andre Fluery would rather waive his no move to go to a team that had to be paid to take him and is also ensuring that his time there they will suck instead of coming to an up and coming team that is making moves to push for a cup?

He would rather stay with Pitts for the cup run.

Pitts gave him the option : Be traded or waive for Vegas and stay with us for cup run.

He got a 3rd ring out of it.

[Weitz]

This trade is the final piece of evidence for me that either McPhee is either scared to actually make moves or his marching orders were to not piss off the other teams.

[Geeoff]

I'm not a fan of this trade for Vegas. Maybe Methot demanded a trade? Seems like it would've been better to hold onto him until the deadline. Unless Vegas is trying to ice the worst roster possible.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Weitz

This trade is the final piece of evidence for me that either McPhee is either scared to actually make moves or his marching orders were to not piss off the other teams.

Or perhaps he's not in love with Methot (we can assume Ottawa wasn't, or they would have done something to keep him), and he's getting the most he can for him.

Vegas will have 6-8 decent d-men at the end of the day. Dumping Methot won't affect them all that much.

I think Vegas wants to keep and play younger d-men with upside.

Seems like a plausible plan to become a better team.

I don't think he really cares if he can become an 75-80 point team if it doesn't help the team become better over time. Nor should he.

He was given the opportunity of having a number of OK players left unprotected in expansion.

I think he's trying to parlay those OK players into something better eventually.

Guys like Methot are often available in UFA, which you can say about pretty much everyone else on his team.

It's not like Vagas is walking way from good, young up and coming players.

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by Stay Golden

McPhee seems to have little interest in puting bums in seats.

Disagree. They have the novelty factor to initially put butts in seats... once that wears off they'll need a good team so they're building for that post-novelty period.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

He probably moved Methot because that was the one guy who would produce a decent return. The rest of the defensemen are either older and bad, or younger and likely a guy they want to build around.

I'm looking at the current roster, and I still have 2 too many defensemen after that trade. I doubt guys like Schmidt will clear waivers. I doubt you could get anything for guys like Garrison, Stoner, or Engelland.

Garrison-Emelin
Sbisa-Merrill
Schmidt-Miller
McNabb/Engelland/Stoner

Minors: Theodore, Reinhart


That forward group...not so good. They're going to get manhandled, especially at center ice.

Perron-Shipachyov-Neal
Marchessault-Eakin-Smith
Haula-Lindberg-Karlsson
Pulkinnen-Bellemare-Thorburn

IR: Clarkson, Grabovski

I would imagine that on July 1, Vegas goes after a key free agent center (Joe Thornton???) or makes a trade for a center using a couple of their defensemen. No idea who though.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Obviously Vegas is tanking. McPhee looked at the Canucks roster and realized that even one NHL calibre top 4 defenseman would put them above Vancouver in the standings, had to ship out Methot quick.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

He probably moved Methot because that was the one guy who would produce a decent return. The rest of the defensemen are either older and bad, or younger and likely a guy they want to build around.

I'm looking at the current roster, and I still have 2 too many defensemen after that trade. I doubt guys like Schmidt will clear waivers. I doubt you could get anything for guys like Garrison, Stoner, or Engelland.

Garrison-Emelin
Sbisa-Merrill
Schmidt-Miller
McNabb/Engelland/Stoner

Minors: Theodore, Reinhart


That forward group...not so good. They're going to get manhandled, especially at center ice.

Perron-Shipachyov-Neal
Marchessault-Eakin-Smith
Haula-Lindberg-Karlsson
Pulkinnen-Bellemare-Thorburn

IR: Clarkson, Grabovski

I would imagine that on July 1, Vegas goes after a key free agent center (Joe Thornton???) or makes a trade for a center using a couple of their defensemen. No idea who though.

Ughh, that defense. It could have been so much better and still been comprised of relatively younger guys (from Minny, NYI and Anaheim). The Theodore pickup was decent, but how are they going to move a Stoner/Emelin/Sbisa? Not bloody likely, heck they might have to throw in a sweetner. Just terrible.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Fighting Banana Slug

Ughh, that defense. It could have been so much better and still been comprised of relatively younger guys (from Minny, NYI and Anaheim).

They were never getting one of Minny's or Anaheim's better d-men, that has been discussed to death.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

He probably moved Methot because that was the one guy who would produce a decent return. The rest of the defensemen are either older and bad, or younger and likely a guy they want to build around.

I'm looking at the current roster, and I still have 2 too many defensemen after that trade. I doubt guys like Schmidt will clear waivers. I doubt you could get anything for guys like Garrison, Stoner, or Engelland.

Garrison-Emelin
Sbisa-Merrill
Schmidt-Miller
McNabb/Engelland/Stoner

Minors: Theodore, Reinhart


That forward group...not so good. They're going to get manhandled, especially at center ice.

Perron-Shipachyov-Neal
Marchessault-Eakin-Smith
Haula-Lindberg-Karlsson
Pulkinnen-Bellemare-Thorburn

IR: Clarkson, Grabovski

I would imagine that on July 1, Vegas goes after a key free agent center (Joe Thornton???) or makes a trade for a center using a couple of their defensemen. No idea who though.

I don't want to sound like a butthurt Flames fan that was hoping they would take the Brouwer contract off our hands but he would look pretty good in that forward group. Not sure why they wouldn't have picked him up seeing the money isn't really an issue for them. Maybe they had their sights on Oshie in free agency? Or maybe they just don't want to win many games next season but this roster is pretty awful. Did MAF realize how bad the roster was going to be? He's going to get lit up badly on a regular basis.

[cannon7]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

They were never getting one of Minny's or Anaheim's better d-men, that has been discussed to death.

Discussed to death, sure. But still plain wrong.