Why are University Campuses against Men's Resource Centres?

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by ToewsFan

Personally, I became really turned off of Men's Rights Groups. I actually became aware of these groups on Facebook or other social media, when Earl Silverman committed suicide in 2013. The amount of hatred and venom towards women in general was scary, and made me lose interest really quickly. I'm positive that some men who use these Men's Resource services do harbor an unhealthy amount of hatred towards women, but in my experience, they are in the small minority, and it was wise to just let them be, and not really engage with them. Besides, the purpose of these groups is to learn to better control and channel anger, and better oneself, not blame women in general.

But if anger control is the issue - then why not go to a place that provides help for that specific issue.
I'm not saying men's health groups can't be a part of a solution but I'm also not sure what they add that is better or more effective than what issue-specific help can provide.

[theinfinitejar]

Originally Posted by ToewsFan

Maybe I'm old school, but I don't honestly understand why society would be so opposed to a Men's Resource Centre when there are tons of Women's, Aboriginal, Youth, etc. Centres out there.

But, is it?

We've got one article from 2012 and a fake tweet. Still kind of begging the question here.

[Handsome B. Wonderful]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

I like how you guys keep framing it like women are now treated truly equal to men, or even that the pendulum has swung even further.

Hey everyone, stop trying to have real discussions and pay attention to me!

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by Handsome B. Wonderful

Hey everyone, stop trying to have real discussions and pay attention to me!

Pretty rich coming from a guy who has yet to post more than a sentence in 6 years.

[ToewsFan]

Originally Posted by theinfinitejar

But, is it?

We've got one article from 2012 and a fake tweet. Still kind of begging the question here.

There are two articles. One from SFU in 2012, and one from Ryerson University from 2017. I'm sure there are more articles in regards to this out there, but I did not take the time to list them all. Not sure what the fake tweet was about.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by rubecube

This isn't Cliff's rodeo on this topic, and he often comes across that way. Just look at his posts in this thread alone, devoid any specifics or examples and full of generalizations and misrepresentations.

You're joking, right? I post more links, stats, and direct quotes from articles than anyone on this forum. To the point where I'm mocked for it.

Originally Posted by rubecube

I've asked him the past to cite some feminist literature, writers, or thinkers that he can use to backup his claims about the ideology, and the best he can usually do is post some links to xojane or something similar that is basically a factory for the worst of the worst think pieces.

I have no idea what xojane is. I get my news and cultural affairs from: the Globe and Mail, the National Post, the Guardian, CBC, the Atlantic, the New Yorker, New York magazine, and the Economist. I get polling stats from the Pew Centre. Almost all of the links and quotes I post are from those sources.

I've read feminist writers. Naomi Wolf. Susan Faludi. I've read dissenting voices, like Katie Roiphie and Camille Paglia. And the news sources I cited have feminist columnists who I read. Denise Balkissoon. Elizabeth Renzetti. Jessica Valenti.

Look, I understand the ideological underpinnings of identity politics. I understand what structuralism is. I understand the argument that every element of the culture we live in was created by white men to rule the world.

I understand them, and I disagree with them. I disagree that structuralism is the only (or even the main) reason for the differences in social outcomes. I disagree that people are blank slates on whom we can inscribe any behaviour. I disagree that politics are nothing more than a struggle between racial and gender groups for power. I disagree that all decent-minded people should champion equality of outcome. I disagree that this subject can be so emotionally threatening that we shouldn't debate it openly.

Originally Posted by rubecube

I don't think that people need to thoroughly engage with source material in depth or anything because this is a message board and not a thesis, but it's intellectually lazy (and not very liberal) to write-off an entire movement based on the rantings of fringey scenesters.

I don't worry about the movement. It's mainly a bunch of earnest and unhappy kids who have found religion (along with a far larger group of people superficially broadcasting their virtue and tribal solidarity). What I worry about is how astonishingly rapidly the leaders of so many institutions have capitulated to their illiberal program. And I worry about how the radical left and radical right fuel one another, and contribute to the polarization that is tearing democratic politics apart and disfiguring our public dialogue and institutions.

[Boblobla]

What is a white CIS male?

[taco.vidal]

Originally Posted by Boblobla

What is a white CIS male?

The devil.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Canadian Interuniversity Sport. Everyone's just mad about stadium funding, basically.

[Boblobla]

Originally Posted by taco.vidal

The devil.

I have garnered that much from the thread, what does the CIS stand for?

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by taco.vidal

The devil.

The devil is neither white nor cis.

Spoiler!

[CMPunk]

Originally Posted by Boblobla

I have garnered that much from the thread, what does the CIS stand for?

It's short for Cisgender which means you identify with the gender you were born as.

[Boblobla]

Originally Posted by CMPunk

It's short for Cisgender which means you identify with the gender you were born as.

Huh, I did not realize that was a thing.

[CMPunk]

Originally Posted by Boblobla

Huh, I did not realize that was a thing.

There's alot of terms out there. It gets confusing quick.

[northcrunk]

I tend to ignore people who use the terms cisgender or gender binary.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Boblobla

Huh, I did not realize that was a thing.

Originally Posted by CMPunk

There's alot of terms out there. It gets confusing quick.

Yeah, it was news to me too.

If theres one thing I know about people whose gender and sexuality is mystifying is that there does seem to be an unusual proclivity towards acronyms.

They love their acronyms. That fact is beyond doubt.

[icecube]

Originally Posted by Boblobla

What is a white CIS male?

Basically CliffFletcher.