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Old 03-02-2017, 11:01 AM   #61
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Back in the mid 00's they had a good program where you actually got a home energy audit(which is way more in depth than this-like pressure checking the home for leaks) and they covered some or all of it if you did some suggestions. I got a new furnace, with a pretty big rebate(over $1000) and did some other stuff that got other rebates. It was a good program. This sounds like a very mickey mouse version of it.
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Old 03-02-2017, 11:03 AM   #63
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I'm pretty sure you don't need to pull a permit to change a light bulb. Give 311 a call and ask them. Let us know the duration of laughter in seconds, or minutes if it goes that long.
Technically it's law as the CEC has been adopted by Alberta. The city worded their website to be compliant with it. It's definitely a rule that is frequently ignored, but it's a rule that could leave the NDP or anyone who performs any work without a permit
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Old 03-02-2017, 11:06 AM   #64
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Assuming you pulled a permit first. Did you pull a permit or do you expect the NDP to do it? The first line under the electrical sub heading explains it very well:

An electrical permit is required for all electrical installations and renovations
No. You need a permit to "install, alter or add to an electrical system". Changing switches and plugs, thermostats, light fixtures is not altering the "system". You don't need a permit to replace stuff that doesn't alter it's use...so light bulbs, thermostats, even new low voltage lighting etc are ok to replace without permits.

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Technically it's law as the CEC has been adopted by Alberta. The city worded their website to be compliant with it. It's definitely a rule that is frequently ignored, but it's a rule that could leave the NDP or anyone who performs any work without a permit
Here are their own words...

http://www.calgary.ca/PDA/pd/Documen...rmit-bylaw.pdf

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Just some info.

The entire budget for the Energy Efficiency Alberta Agency is $45MM. I believe this particular program is $21MM. That seems pretty low to me but, if for some magical reason, they stick to that number is the risk of that money being spent on what may be a failed experiment worth the benefit they are hoping to get out of it? To me, that dollar value represents no risk at all.
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No. You need a permit to "install, alter or add to an electrical system". Changing switches and plugs, thermostats, light fixtures is not altering the "system". You don't need a permit to replace stuff that doesn't alter it's use...so light bulbs, thermostats, even new low voltage lighting etc are ok to replace without permits.

http://www.calgary.ca/PDA/pd/Documen...rmit-bylaw.pdf
So by altering the current drawn by a circuit through changing a bulb isn't altering your system? Gonna need a citation where it says that in the code book. Like I said it's an overlooked rule but it's definitely a modification/alteration.
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My understanding is that installation is free. The bulbs, power bars, thermostats etc. are not free they come with a price. The question is, how competitive that price will be?
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No. You need a permit to "install, alter or add to an electrical system". Changing switches and plugs, thermostats, light fixtures is not altering the "system". You don't need a permit to replace stuff that doesn't alter it's use...so light bulbs, thermostats, even new low voltage lighting etc are ok to replace without permits.



Here are their own words...

http://www.calgary.ca/PDA/pd/Documen...rmit-bylaw.pdf
Specifically 4(2)(e) A permit is not required......for

the replacement of electrical equipment with units of a similar type if the
replacement is made for the purpose of maintaining the system and does
not modify the ratings or characteristics of the electrical installation.
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So by altering the current drawn by a circuit through changing a bulb isn't altering your system? Gonna need a citation where it says that in the code book. Like I said it's an overlooked rule but it's definitely a modification/alteration.

So you are gonna go pull a permit to change a lightbulb ??
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My understanding is that installation is free. The bulbs, power bars, thermostats etc. are not free they come with a price. The question is, how competitive that price will be?
No, they are free.
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Brb guys pulling a permit to plug in my new alarm clock.
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So by altering the current drawn by a circuit through changing a bulb isn't altering your system? Gonna need a citation where it says that in the code book. Like I said it's an overlooked rule but it's definitely a modification/alteration.
Just read the link or quote from it Nuffy provided...

Specifically 4(2)(e) A permit is not required......for

the replacement of electrical equipment with units of a similar type if the
replacement is made for the purpose of maintaining the system and does
not modify the ratings or characteristics of the electrical installation.

But to specifically answer your question, no, altering the amount of current through an existing system while keeping within the already approved load parameters of that system doesn't require a permit. Specifically adding a lower draw light bulb is fine because the system is already approved for a draw of electricity between certain amounts. Changing a bulb doesn't change that.
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Maybe its the NDP's new way to balance the budget...

Permits required for everyone.

I'll bet Nenshi is in on it too...
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Just some info.

The entire budget for the Energy Efficiency Alberta Agency is $45MM. I believe this particular program is $21MM. That seems pretty low to me but, if for some magical reason, they stick to that number is the risk of that money being spent on what may be a failed experiment worth the benefit they are hoping to get out of it? To me, that dollar value represents no risk at all.
If we guess each household is a cost of $200 for sending someone out and a few free items, that's 105 000 households, or 7.5% of the province. Not sure if that is a reasonable estimate or not...
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What model of thermostat and power bar do you get?
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Likely some cheap crap that ends up in the landfill in a year.
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Lol. Did all those things. My reward is more tax. Hooray.
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Just read the link or quote from it Nuffy provided...

Specifically 4(2)(e) A permit is not required......for

the replacement of electrical equipment with units of a similar type if the
replacement is made for the purpose of maintaining the system and does
not modify the ratings or characteristics of the electrical installation.

But to specifically answer your question, no, altering the amount of current through an existing system while keeping within the already approved load parameters of that system doesn't require a permit. Specifically adding a lower draw light bulb is fine because the system is already approved for a draw of electricity between certain amounts. Changing a bulb doesn't change that.
The city's brochure for homeowner electrical permits specifically lists examples that you don't need a permit to replace: "switches, receptacles, light fixtures, breakers".
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Maybe its the NDP's new way to balance the budget...

Permits required for everyone.

I'll bet Nenshi is in on it too...
Have you had to do your Provincial Annual Corporate Registry yet? Notice that they doubled the price? I was not impressed.
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I legitimately can not believe there is a discussion going on where someone needs convincing you don't need a permit to change a lightbulb.

It's happening right in front of me, and I can't believe it.
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