Alberta Residential Energy Savings Program

[Locke]

Originally Posted by transplant99

I realize there are many factors...but apparently the government made the claim ecofit was the cheapest, yet they weren't. That's would be a lie if true...something i think people may want to know. It certainly wouldnt be a first for this or any government.

If you think its propoganda, that's fine, (maybe it is and this guy is just lying)

If you are truly interested in what David Gray who is CEO of Aim Energy and the guy who was involved in the process and makes the claim has to say, he did an interview with Danielle Smith a couple days ago.

http://www.newstalk770.com/audio-on-demand-2/

Go to April 10....11AM hour and about 7 minutes in.

Decide for yourself.

Wow.

I'm going to have to do a bit more research before I come to a conclusion but that does indeed sound stupid enough to genuinely be their plan.

The telling question for me, as its one that I've been wondering about was:

"Do you find the NDP have been proceeding with programs and making them incredibly difficult to undo?"

And while his response was that this wasnt one of them, it has been something that I've been wondering as well.

Why would any company want to get into supplying power in Alberta?

[Erick Estrada]

I had heard a few days ago about ecofit wasn't the lowest bidder. Surprised it hasn't been made bigger news seeing that's blatant lying by the government. If they can't come clean about this kind of stuff why bother believing anything they say? This crown corporation stuff if true is just nonsense. That's not going to fly.

[para transit fellow]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I had heard a few days ago about ecofit wasn't the lowest bidder. Surprised it hasn't been made bigger news seeing that's blatant lying by the government. If they can't come clean about this kind of stuff why bother believing anything they say? This crown corporation stuff if true is just nonsense. That's not going to fly.

The question is whether the lowest bidder was compliant with the RFP.

I just went through a municipal rfp where the lowest bid was grossly non compliant... thank heavens the scoring excluded noncomplience

We need to see the posted RFp to really evaluate this lowest bid

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by para transit fellow

The question is whether the lowest bidder was compliant with the RFP.

I just went through a municipal rfp where the lowest bid was grossly non compliant... thank heavens the scoring excluded noncomplience

We need to see the posted RFp to really evaluate this lowest bid

When Eco Fitt was the SUPPLIER (apparently) of various products specifically requested in the RFP, there is no way the entire thing was going to anyone else but them.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by para transit fellow

The question is whether the lowest bidder was compliant with the RFP.

I just went through a municipal rfp where the lowest bid was grossly non compliant... thank heavens the scoring excluded noncomplience

We need to see the posted RFp to really evaluate this lowest bid

Saying ecofitt was the lowest bidder is false regardless of the compliance semantics. Since the NDP make the rules they can pretty well rig it to ensure that only one bid would be truly compliant. Honestly this isn't just because it's the NDP that I'm accusing them of this because it's plainly obvious that the RFP was designed around ecofitt. This entire process makes the last Turkish election look totally legit in comparison.

[return to the red]

Originally Posted by transplant99

When Eco Fitt was the SUPPLIER (apparently) of various products specifically requested in the RFP, there is no way the entire thing was going to anyone else but them.

Which is a problem in itself. With Public money there should have been no "hard Spec" put on any of the various products. Equivalents should have been put into the RFP as to ensure that all companies had valid and competitive bids in the interest of public funding

[Erick Estrada]

Nobody can claim that the CP's were saints or anything but given what we have seen from the NDP on a provincial level and Liberals on a federal level these governments are starting to make Harper look squeaky clean in comparison.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Nobody can claim that the CP's were saints or anything but given what we have seen from the NDP on a provincial level and Liberals on a federal level these governments are starting to make Harper look squeaky clean in comparison.

This is the complete wrong attitude to take if the public ever wants things to change. This attitude enables governments when they take power to continue these behaviours.

[para transit fellow]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Saying ecofitt was the lowest bidder is false regardless of the compliance semantics. Since the NDP make the rules they can pretty well rig it to ensure that only one bid would be truly compliant. Honestly this isn't just because it's the NDP that I'm accusing them of this because it's plainly obvious that the RFP was designed around ecofitt. This entire process makes the last Turkish election look totally legit in comparison.

All rfp's have a design... otherwise we would see a pickup truck with a snowblade instead of a genuine snowplow on the highways. A pickup truck would come in at far less than a snowplow/ sander unit.... winning any snowplow acquisition rfp on the sole basis of price.

Does anyone have the rfp? Or is this suggestion of vendor preference simply just speculation?



Does anyone have a copy of the original rfp?

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by GGG

This is the complete wrong attitude to take if the public ever wants things to change. This attitude enables governments when they take power to continue these behaviours.

I'm not following you here. What attitude? I'm certainly not arguing for this behavior. I'm arguing against it. It's pretty clear all these parties are crooked and corrupt. All we can do is simply not re-elect these parties when they are in power. Eventually parties that have a vision of being in power for more than one term will realize that they need to clean up their act or they will be one and done.

[V]

I still haven't seen proof that a specific bidder was hard specced. I'd like to see that confirmed before getting too excited.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Locke

Wow.

I'm going to have to do a bit more research before I come to a conclusion but that does indeed sound stupid enough to genuinely be their plan.

The telling question for me, as its one that I've been wondering about was:

"Do you find the NDP have been proceeding with programs and making them incredibly difficult to undo?"

And while his response was that this wasnt one of them, it has been something that I've been wondering as well.

Why would any company want to get into supplying power in Alberta?

Brian Jean on with Danielle Smith this morning confirming that the Crown Corporation aspect of the ecofit boondoggle does exist in the RFP.

[V]

Originally Posted by para transit fellow

All rfp's have a design... otherwise we would see a pickup truck with a snowblade instead of a genuine snowplow on the highways. A pickup truck would come in at far less than a snowplow/ sander unit.... winning any snowplow acquisition rfp on the sole basis of price.?

This is nonsense, of course. There's a difference between specifying the attributes of what you want to see, and specifying the exact supplier that you want to supply the material. Especially when there is nothing proprietary with the material, and the supplier you are specifying is eligible to bid on your rfp. Trying to defend that is just showing a blatant bias.

Again though, I'll reserve my outrage until I actually see the rfp.

[V]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Brian Jean on with Danielle Smith this morning confirming that the Crown Corporation aspect of the ecofit boondoggle does exist in the RFP.

He should share it if he has it. Is this rfp foipable? I'm not knowledgeable on foip rules.

[calgarygeologist]

What exactly does Ecofit do and why/how would we benefit from them being a crown Corp?

[Locke]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

What exactly does Ecofit do and why/how would we benefit from them being a crown Corp?

They install lightbulbs. A vital service.

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by Bill Bumface

I just wanted to point out that all the people that are pissed off by this but still signed up for it are the worst.

If the remaining 50 NDP supporters signed up and that was it, this wouldn't be a very expensive project at a time we don't have money to hire light bulb changers.

Sounds like someone is trying to get people not to sign up so he gets his light bulbs faster.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Robbob

Sounds like someone is trying to get people not to sign up so he gets his light bulbs faster.

Hes NDP!! Get him!!



Granted, the way the NDP are going we're going to need those torches. For light and warmth.

[return to the red]

Originally Posted by para transit fellow

All rfp's have a design... otherwise we would see a pickup truck with a snowblade instead of a genuine snowplow on the highways. A pickup truck would come in at far less than a snowplow/ sander unit.... winning any snowplow acquisition rfp on the sole basis of price.

Yes and No

Any RFP that we have participated has minimum specifications that must be met. In your example they may specify that the truck must be capable of handling X many tonnes of sand, have a snow blade X meters wide...

This keeps the average Joe Blow from participating but let's be completely honest, If the NDP had X Company in mind prior to awarding the contract they will find ways to make that company come out higher on the weighted scale.

Specifications should have been developed for this with the award going to the lowest bidder. If the lowest bidder fails to be compliant on the specifications than it is their responsibility to become compliant at their own cost or forfeit their bonding.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by return to the red

Yes and No

Any RFP that we have participated has minimum specifications that must be met. In your example they may specify that the truck must be capable of handling X many tonnes of sand, have a snow blade X meters wide...

This keeps the average Joe Blow from participating but let's be completely honest, If the NDP had X Company in mind prior to awarding the contract they will find ways to make that company come out higher on the weighted scale.

Specifications should have been developed for this with the award going to the lowest bidder. If the lowest bidder fails to be compliant on the specifications than it is their responsibility to become compliant at their own cost or forfeit their bonding.

Nooooo,

If the bid is not technical compliant it should get tossed.

The technical component and commercial component should be evaluated by separate groups with the technical group having no knowledge of price. The technical group confirms whether or not a bid is technically suitable and covers all scope.

All non technically compliant bids are tossed and the contract awarded to the lowest compliant bidder.