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10-09-2013, 07:27 AM
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Voted for Kodos
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They may plummet, but not for that reason.
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10-09-2013, 07:30 AM
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Franchise Player
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Lol. Can I borrow your tin foil hat?
In other news, TSN and CBC both hate the Flames and never have anything good to say about them.
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10-09-2013, 07:32 AM
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Franchise Player
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yes, but they'll stay above the Mendoza line.
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10-09-2013, 07:56 AM
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by albertGQ
Lol. Can I borrow your tin foil hat?
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It will look nice with those rose colored glasses.
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10-09-2013, 08:17 AM
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Crash and Bang Winger
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You don't actually believe that, do you?
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10-09-2013, 08:28 AM
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Scoring Winger
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I think they will plummet but it has nothing to do with the refs......that team is bad
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10-09-2013, 08:43 AM
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Basement Chicken Choker
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Originally Posted by toquester
I have always believed that a lot of success in the NHL can be chalked up to favoritism by the Refs. It should be interesting to see what happens with the Coyotes once the NHL no longer owns the team.
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I've always believed that a lot of people on the internet would have difficulty passing a Turing test.
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10-09-2013, 08:45 AM
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Quote:
Originally Posted by toquester
I have always believed that a lot of success in the NHL can be chalked up to favoritism by the Refs. It should be interesting to see what happens with the Coyotes once the NHL no longer owns the team.
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Yup the refs were clearly favoring them in the ECF when Brown didn't get a penalty for his knee of Klesla. Then when the Kings won the Yotes spoke very highly of the officials and league in their interviews afterwards.
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10-09-2013, 08:59 AM
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I don't really agree with the OP, in that I dont think "a lot of success" can be attributed to this.
But there do seem to be occasional outlying cases where his comments do ring true.
Take for example a certain team I can think of, who were such darlings of the league that their entire strategy came to revolve around power plays. This quickly descended into farce, to the point where a dive or an "embellished head-snap" was happening every few shifts.
That anonymous team's fortunes (especially in the playoffs) certainly did seem to alter very dramatically and very, very quickly, when their antics began to make the refs look like fools, and the refs stopped giving them the calls they had gotten used to.
But nothing has suggested to me that this is or will be the case in Phoenix.
I hate the Canucks.
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10-09-2013, 09:01 AM
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NHL.com has numbers on powerplays and penalty kills for anyone to see. Doesn't look like any favoritism going on for Phoenix. Their PP's for and against look pretty proportional.
They are a pretty good team. Good coach, good system, good defence, and hardworking forwards.
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10-09-2013, 09:07 AM
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by toquester
It will look nice with those rose colored glasses.
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LOL. Okay there buddy. LOL
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10-09-2013, 09:14 AM
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Detroit has always had more favourable calls than any team I can think of. Not sure why. Maybe just their style of play.
I have never once noticed anything resembling favouritism towards the Coyotes. /endthread.
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10-09-2013, 09:29 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Oil Stain
NHL.com has numbers on powerplays and penalty kills for anyone to see. Doesn't look like any favoritism going on for Phoenix. Their PP's for and against look pretty proportional.
They are a pretty good team. Good coach, good system, good defence, and hardworking forwards.
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The most boring system in the NHL to watch.
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10-09-2013, 09:30 AM
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Lifetime Suspension
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Originally Posted by BACKCHECK!!!
I don't really agree with the OP, in that I dont think "a lot of success" can be attributed to this.
But there do seem to be occasional outlying cases where his comments do ring true.
Take for example a certain team I can think of, who were such darlings of the league that their entire strategy came to revolve around power plays. This quickly descended into farce, to the point where a dive or an "embellished head-snap" was happening every few shifts.
That anonymous team's fortunes (especially in the playoffs) certainly did seem to alter very dramatically and very, very quickly, when their antics began to make the refs look like fools, and the refs stopped giving them the calls they had gotten used to.
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Montreal?
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10-09-2013, 09:36 AM
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Location: Calgary
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Every team's fans think the refs are biased against them. The fact is, refs are humans too, and they make mistakes. It's easy for us watching to see the penalty after the fact, and with a multitude of replays at different angles and slow motion. Can a ref be terrible at blown calls? For sure, but that's from human error rather than from any team bias.
Now, I'd be more inclined to believe they do have small biases against certain players. But that could be because of past history with that player (ie. known for diving, embellishing, etc).
So to get back on topic, I think the Yotes may do poorly this season, but I think that has more to do with Mike Smith. IMO, the guy thinks he's better than he actually is. And with this year's goalie equipment reduction, I can see him coming back down to earth pretty quick.
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10-09-2013, 09:52 AM
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Ate 100 Treadmills
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If you actually take a second and see the way other teams fall down before the Coyotes, you'll see it always happens in a controlled demolition. THEY FALL STRAIGHT DOWN. You'll also find no evidence of hockey debris in the oppossing teams' dressing rooms. Plus, Gary Bettman (Jewish), owns the Coyotes now and has insurance. I've spoken to several architects and engineers who totally agree with your theory.
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10-09-2013, 10:07 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Oil Stain
NHL.com has numbers on powerplays and penalty kills for anyone to see. Doesn't look like any favoritism going on for Phoenix. Their PP's for and against look pretty proportional.
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Looking at the numbers over 3 years, PHX is 19th for powerplay opportunities awarded and 8th for total number of penalties (not total PIM) called on them.
I also did the numbers for the rest of the NHL teams. Over the last 3 years the Top 5 teams with the greatest amount of PP opportunities given to them are:
1. Philadelphia
2. Montreal
3. Detroit
4. Columbus
5. Vancouver
The Top 5 Teams for least amount of penalties called against them are:
1. Nashville
2. Chicago
3. New York Islanders
4. San Jose
5. Detroit
By these numbers, Detroit would seemingly be the NHL's "favourite" team. The 2nd favorite team based on the numbers I have? Carolina.
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10-09-2013, 10:18 AM
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Lifetime Suspension
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Drury18
Over the last 3 years the Top 5 teams with the greatest amount of PP opportunities given to them are:
1. Philadelphia
2. Montreal
3. Detroit
4. Columbus
5. Vancouver
The Top 5 Teams for least amount of penalties called against them are:
1. Nashville
2. Chicago
3. New York Islanders
4. San Jose
5. Detroit
By these numbers, Detroit would seemingly be the NHL's "favourite" team. The 2nd favorite team based on the numbers I have? Carolina.
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Those two things are not the inverse of each other. Penalties called against do not equal number of penalty kills. There is one common thread with those five teams - no enforcer. Enforcers get lots of PM but most of them don't result in penalty kills.
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10-09-2013, 10:22 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by WilderPegasus
Those two things are not the inverse of each other. Penalties called against do not equal number of penalty kills. There is one common thread with those five teams - no enforcer. Enforcers get lots of PM but most of them don't result in penalty kills.
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You've misread the titles. It is "least amount of penalties called against them" vs "greatest amount of PP opportunities" in response to the question of what teams are "favorited" by the NHL. Teams with low penalties called against them and awarded a number of PP's could be interpreted as "favorited" by the NHL.
Penalty Kill has nothing to do with this.
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