Alberta Politics & Government Thread 3.0

[curves2000]

Originally Posted by MarchHare

Do any of our resident UCP shills want to go to bat and try to justify this absolutely undemocratic nonsense?



https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmon...laws-1.7185346

As a non UCP voter some stuff for sure is uneasy, on the flip side, removal legislation could be interesting! Def some greasiness on council that is worthy of prison time in Calgary. Perhaps against some council members people really don't like. The UCP may be getting ahead of the curve on someone, that is for sure. History always repeats itself !

[looooob]

Originally Posted by aaronck

Alberta to pay nurse practitioners up to 80 per cent of what family doctors make.....What do the UCP have against doctors????

https://calgaryherald.com/news/local...source=twitter

she seems to be even a bit apologetic that there is a 20 percent differential, which they seem to mostly attribute to 'doctors performing surgery'...


https://calgary.citynews.ca/2024/04/...-compensation/


She acknowledges the extensive role that nurse practitioners play in the province, but says the 20 per cent difference in compensation is based on a difference in scope, with doctors performing surgeries and having different demands.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by curves2000

As a non UCP voter some stuff for sure is uneasy, on the flip side, removal legislation could be interesting! Def some greasiness on council that is worthy of prison time in Calgary. Perhaps against some council members people really don't like. The UCP may be getting ahead of the curve on someone, that is for sure. History always repeats itself !

Yes, removing and jailing your political opponents is definitely a completely normal and not fascist/authoritarian thing to do at all.

[Muta]

Originally Posted by curves2000

As a non UCP voter some stuff for sure is uneasy, on the flip side, removal legislation could be interesting! Def some greasiness on council that is worthy of prison time in Calgary. Perhaps against some council members people really don't like. The UCP may be getting ahead of the curve on someone, that is for sure. History always repeats itself !

It's cute that you think they're doing this for altruistic reasons.

[Fuzz]

I don't understand the nurse practitioner as a doctor model. So they need to get a panel of patients, and these patients are expected to just not have a family doctor? Or do they now have both, an pick who to see for each issue? Or not have a family doctor at all, and be limited in the expertise they can access?


I'm a big supporter of NP's, but I think they should be integrated into care networks/offices as part of a team. This mirroring of the doctor practice model doesn't make much sense to me, as far as patient care goes.

[surferguy]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Yes, removing and jailing your political opponents is definitely a completely normal and not fascist/authoritarian thing to do at all. interesting!

Fixed

[belsarius]

Originally Posted by curves2000

As a non UCP voter some stuff for sure is uneasy, on the flip side, removal legislation could be interesting! Def some greasiness on council that is worthy of prison time in Calgary. Perhaps against some council members people really don't like. The UCP may be getting ahead of the curve on someone, that is for sure. History always repeats itself !

What the #### are you talking about... uneasy???? this is straight up Orwellian.

Power to unilaterally remove a councilor? WTF is that.

Could you imagine if the King just decided to unilaterally remove the UCP from power because "some people don't like them"? I'm sure that would sit well.

[curves2000]

Sean Chu like allegations. Remember the uproar over the lack of ability for the province to do something?

I doubt this is about removing council members or jailing opponents against the UCP. More along the lines of some of the recall ability some people want

[flamingreen]

Originally Posted by curves2000

Sean Chu like allegations. Remember the uproar over the lack of ability for the province to do something?

I doubt this is about removing council members or jailing opponents against the UCP. More along the lines of some of the recall ability some people want

Sweet summer child.

[Izzle]

Bahaha, subversion of democracy!! Here's a Marlaina!

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by flamingreen

Sweet summer child.

He's just asking questions, guys.

[rubecube]

Any lawyers in here know if this violates the Charter in any way? Mind you, knowing these #######s, they'd just use the notwithstanding clause.

[AFireInside]

Originally Posted by looooob

she seems to be even a bit apologetic that there is a 20 percent differential, which they seem to mostly attribute to 'doctors performing surgery'...


https://calgary.citynews.ca/2024/04/...-compensation/


She acknowledges the extensive role that nurse practitioners play in the province, but says the 20 per cent difference in compensation is based on a difference in scope, with doctors performing surgeries and having different demands.

This is going to cause many doctors to leave. Family doctors don't perform surgery. So are NPs going to be paid the same? My wife is a physician with far more than 900 patients. Are they going to pay the NPs on the same model using modifiers as doctors? If not, it's going to be a massive problem for retaining doctors.

NPs should be working in doctors offices with doctors. period. The exception to that would be areas that have no doctors.

Other provinces in Canada are about to gain some doctors.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by AFireInside

This is going to cause many doctors to leave.

Yupppppp. Not every doctor is billing like an ophthalmologist, of which they love to pump the tires as what a typical physician looks like in Alberta.

[Harry Lime]

I've dealt with NPs in the past, and they have their uses, but they are not doctors. I've also found them to be shy about referrals, instead trying to overreach their abilities. Probably trying to bridge that gap to GPs, with support of the province.

[Harry Lime]

Originally Posted by curves2000

I guess if young left leaning progressives are bringing their politics to Alberta and have for decades, why is that not making it's way to the ballot box and provincial government? I highly doubt the conservatives are really that good at campaigning that the only loss that they have take was during a serious fracture.

As for the immigrants in Alberta, I know what I am talking about. My entire social circle is immigrant or children of immigrants. We all discuss how "white washed" a lot of immigrants in Alberta are as opposed to other cities with more specific communities and culture centers are.

Probably why I have Jewish friends that import kosher meat from Toronto, the selection in Calgary is piss poor.

There may be 40 000+ people in Calgary with Italian ancestry but there is probably 3/4 Italian owned supermarkets for the culinary needs. 3/4 where real Italian's shop, not the places designed for the non Italian crowd.

Where does one find a German speaking banker? What area is predominantly Irish in Calgary? Any Ethiopian law office that you can point to in Calgary? What street has the best Italian/Greek/Hungarian/Ukrainian/Jamaican food?

Ya, immigrants in Calgary/Alberta generally take a little more of the assimilation route as opposed to other cities. In other cities, sometimes it doesn't even feel like your in Canada with the signage and business. Those areas are pretty much where specific cultures live.

https://nationalpost.com/news/canada...gs-in-mandarin

https://nationalpost.com/news/politi...advertisements

I'm not going to beat a dead horse here, but almost all of the communities mentioned are OG Canadians. Basically second wave, right after the English and French.

The insular communities I see (and have experienced) now, are Indian, Pakistani, middle eastern, Chinese and too a smaller extent Nigerian. Most successful at integration are Phillipines, Japanese and Korean. This is in reference to requiring separate agencies.

Reason for this? I dunno, I'm not a melting pot oligist. I hope that I goes without saying that I'm referring to new communities and not established families, which I would just refer to as canadian.

[AFireInside]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Yupppppp. Not every doctor is billing like an ophthalmologist, of which they love to pump the tires as what a typical physician looks like in Alberta.

It's also a massive insult to physicians, who rack up something like 20,000 clinical hours during residency, & pay people who are nowhere near as qualified with 4500 clinical hours the same while you vilainize them for being paid too much.

Also important is that the province consistently lies about how much doctors are paid in order to make them look greedy.

So Alberta Doctors are paid too well, but people who aren't nearly as qualified should be paid basically the same. There's no logic in this province, absolutely brilliant, the province just made the case that doctors should be paid way more.

[Ozy_Flame]

This is like saying that a paralegal is almost the same as a lawyer and should be paid accordingly. But maybe the lawyer is the one that can stand in front of a judge. Paralegal can do everything a lawyer can do though!

[FireGilbert]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Stuff like this is why I'm uneasy about just letting PP have the country for a few years. Governments can do a lot of damage in one term.

The federal government at least has the senate as a check on power. No such thing in Alberta with majority government basically being a dictatorship.

[MegaErtz]

Originally Posted by FireGilbert

The federal government at least has the senate as a check on power. No such thing in Alberta with majority government basically being a dictatorship.

How does the Senate keep a check on power? When it stopped Brian Mulroney from passing the GST into law, he just appointed more senators to push it through.