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Old 07-18-2016, 12:12 PM   #161
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I think on the station he held rank as the chief of operations, didn't he? Once on the Defiant, all bets were off though.

Also rewatching DS9. Easily the best Star Trek, even if just because of "In the Pale Moonlight". I also think Worf gets #### on for how cheesy he was at the end of TNG. I really like the interactions with him early on in DS9. His arrogance getting skewered by Odo, his intractions with Gowron and Martok.
Worf just always felt so forced to me.

"Ugh...we need to do another Worf episode, someone call Gowron and they can dance with their blade thingys....goddamn this...this gets more tiring every season."
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I will see how I feel near the end, but through season 4 and 5, Worf was fine and helped contribute to the rebuilding of the Klingons in DS9 from universal whipping boy for everyone to legit threat and ally.
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When the Klingons actually began basically killing every one and everything, that's what I wanted the Klingons to be, not some race whining about finding lost honor and sitting around a bbq staring into flames waiting for their jesus figure to come back.
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When the Klingons actually began basically killing every one and everything, that's what I wanted the Klingons to be, not some race whining about finding lost honor and sitting around a bbq staring into flames waiting for their jesus figure to come back.
I want them to be both. Klingon honour should not be the same as Human. That's what DS9 did. It found a way to balance the TOS and TNG Klingons. It's also what helped make Worf unique. His code of honour was a mix of both, which made it a bastardization of both.
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Old 07-18-2016, 05:13 PM   #165
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Also, a fourth film in the 'Kelvin timeline' was confirmed today.

http://www.startrek.com/article/four...ture-confirmed

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In the next installment of the epic space adventure, Chris Pine’s Captain Kirk will cross paths with a man he never had a chance to meet, but whose legacy has haunted him since the day he was born: his father." And, yes, Chris Hemsworth is on board to reprise the role of George Kirk, whom he first portrayed in Star Trek (2009).
One has to think it'll be a pretty quick turn-around if they've already got Hemsworth cast and have early plot details. No director announced yet -- maybe waiting to see the reception to Beyond before they bring Lin onboard again. Reviews have been good so far!

The more Trek, the better, if you ask me! It'd been a long dry spell but now we're getting a new series and fairly rapidly released movies.
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So time travel? Or he somehow survived? Wouldn't that cheapen his original death?
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So time travel? Or he somehow survived? Wouldn't that cheapen his original death?
I hope it's not "he somehow survived" -- that would take way too much retconning.

Time travel, mirror universe, cross-over with the prime timeline... There's lots of possibilities that would be way better options.

Mirror universe would be sweet, with Hemsworth playing an older evil George Kirk. I doubt Paramount would ever have the balls to green light a mirror universe movie though.
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So time travel? Or he somehow survived? Wouldn't that cheapen his original death?
Such a storied and respected franchise as 'Star Trek' wouldnt stoop to a plot-line so fallow and conniving as 'time-travel.'

Especially seeing as how out of all of their movies thus far have considered it a place where no man has gone before!

Have some respect sir!
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I don't like the idea of a mirror universe Kirks father. It just seems cheap. Maybe you could have him come from the original time line somehow where he's still alive.

I really like the idea of a mirror universe movie or series. DS9 did a terrific job of it, making everyone evil and treacherous. As well Enterprise did a two episode arch that was really well done.

The rise and fall of the Empire was really well done in the books. In fact Shatner wrote a whole series involving the mirror universe and it was well written.

Picard was a cowardly attendant, which was hilarious. Riker was a complete thug. It turns out that Kirk was the Emperor after he murdered Spock, but Kirk was so brutal (he executed Scotty and Chekhov) that it caused the Klingon, Cardassian rebellion and they destroyed the earth completely and enslaved humans and Vulcans and because even more brutal then the Empire was.
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i figure it will be flashbacks. i hope its not time travel or mirror.
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Interesting. Based in the older looking design of the ship plus the registry number (NCC-1031) it would seem to be taking place sometime between Enterprise and TOS. I am instituted and optimistic!
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Whoa, is it me or is that Federation ship heavily influenced by Klingon technology and design. Looks like a hybrid between a constitution class and a K'Tinga
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Whoa, is it me or is that Federation ship heavily influenced by Klingon technology and design. Looks like a hybrid between a constitution class and a K'Tinga
That was my thought as well. The back half of the ship looks like a Klingon design similar to the D-4 cruiser.
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Is it just me or did the CGI just not look that polished? Felt like I was watching a cutscene from a late 1990s video game.
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re-using some concepts from Star Trek Phase II? This looks good.
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Is it just me or did the CGI just not look that polished? Felt like I was watching a cutscene from a late 1990s video game.
Yeah, I'm hoping that isn't finished CGI or this will crash and burn. Apparently the starship design is based at least partly on some Ralph McQuarrie concepts from the 70's.
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Yeah, I'm hoping that isn't finished CGI or this will crash and burn. Apparently the starship design is based at least partly on some Ralph McQuarrie concepts from the 70's.
Agreed. Hopefully this was something they just threw together to have something to show at the convention and not representative of the final work. I guess they still roughly have 5 months to polish everything up.

The starship's design may also be hurting the trailer. It's simple geometric shapes make it feel like an oversimplified model, while true to the ships shown on the original series.
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I know its based on a RM design. But when I looked at it, I didn't think Federation Klingon Hybrid. My first thought was the thing looked Romulan.

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Wow that looks pretty awful. I respect that they are paying homage to the history of the series but why can't they go in a new direction please?

That design might have worked in 1975 when drawn by Ralph Mcquarrie (of Star Wars concept art fame) for Star Trek Phase II but it looks out of place now.

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