Just seems dumb to get so enraged over a piece of jewelery, on either side.
Ask a Sikh to remove their turban before you serve them and let us know how that works out for you.
The fact that isn't "just" a piece of jewelry isn't the point. This wasn't a matter of safety, this was a matter of "Oh noez that disturbs my fluffy little belief system, please remove it you heathen".
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Ask a Sikh to remove their turban before you serve them and let us know how that works out for you.
The fact that isn't "just" a piece of jewelry isn't the point. This wasn't a matter of safety, this was a matter of "Oh noez that disturbs my fluffy little belief system, please remove it you heathen".
So what is wrong with upside down crosses? I actually have no idea. Are these people unionized? They may have some sort of workplace policy regarding the right to not be offended...just sayin.
On the other hand, I refused to sell beer to a guy (I worked at a liquor store) because he had a shirt on with a swastika. He left and came back with a sweater on, so I said I wouldn't serve people with sweaters. Then I said if he wanted to complain, I would have the Grim Reapers from the bar come in and explain the rules. The skinhead was peeved and I never saw him come back again. The other guy working with me, a stampede wrestler, was basically standing there cracking his knuckles and letting the guy know he was going to get hurt badly if he didn't leave.
So what is wrong with upside down crosses? I actually have no idea. Are these people unionized? They may have some sort of workplace policy regarding the right to not be offended...just sayin.
On the other hand, I refused to sell beer to a guy (I worked at a liquor store) because he had a shirt on with a swastika. He left and came back with a sweater on, so I said I wouldn't serve people with sweaters. Then I said if he wanted to complain, I would have the Grim Reapers from the bar come in and explain the rules. The skinhead was peeved and I never saw him come back again. The other guy working with me, a stampede wrestler, was basically standing there cracking his knuckles and letting the guy know he was going to get hurt badly if he didn't leave.
So you're OK with discrimination as long as you disagree with the person being discriminated against. Got it.
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So what is wrong with upside down crosses? I actually have no idea. Are these people unionized? They may have some sort of workplace policy regarding the right to not be offended...just sayin.
On the other hand, I refused to sell beer to a guy (I worked at a liquor store) because he had a shirt on with a swastika. He left and came back with a sweater on, so I said I wouldn't serve people with sweaters. Then I said if he wanted to complain, I would have the Grim Reapers from the bar come in and explain the rules. The skinhead was peeved and I never saw him come back again. The other guy working with me, a stampede wrestler, was basically standing there cracking his knuckles and letting the guy know he was going to get hurt badly if he didn't leave.
What if he was refused service because he had a star of david necklace? In the situation this guy was in, the clerk can't pick and choose what symbol offends him.
What if he was refused service because he had a star of david necklace? In the situation this guy was in, the clerk can't pick and choose what symbol offends him.
Uh, the clerk can pick and choose to do anything they want. The question is if it is reasonable. I clearly did not pick what was right or wrong, or are you implying that I did?
What if he was refused service because he had a star of david necklace? In the situation this guy was in, the clerk can't pick and choose what symbol offends him.
Are you suggesting assorted religious symbols are on the same level as symbols of hate?
No I did not. I was not refusing service due to race, color, origin etc. I refused service based on the fact the swastika is a symbol of hatred, and is even banned in many countries, and I used my right to kick a customer out. Some symbols have one use, to hate, dummy forgot to put his sweater on.
Are you seriously defending the right of a skinhead to wear a swastika in a private business?
I'm not sure about hospital front work...I've never talked to any technicians about x-rays, so I wonder if there's any correlation between the x-ray (maybe they thought the injuries were worse than wrist?) and the desire to remove all possible jewellery. It's unlikely as I don't think x-rays are impacted heavily by chest jewellery and there's a very low chance that the employee in question had much control over it or would ask him to remove it at that time (or why they'd order a chest x-ray in the first place), but it's something that I wouldn't question if a finding reported that. They are privy to more details than I am and "skateboarding accident" could mean a wide variety of things. Again, it's likely not the case...but I don't know enough to make a call on this possibility.
The x-ray techs routinely get the patient to remove any jewelry over the affected area. In this guys case, that would be watches and bracelets (and maybe rings). Necklaces would not be an issue, and it would be the x-ray tech responsible for ensuring the patient is properly prepped. Think of it this way - if they were concerned about a hip injury, it would be necessary to remove jeans. That wouldn't be done in the admitting area of a hospital.
It really appears that the admitting clerk was out of line in this instance. Yes, the patient was dressed in a way to provoke a response. However, the job of the admitting clerk is to provide him with the care necessary. It is another matter if the patient was verbally abusive or threatening, but that doesn't appear to be the case here. I suspect - although this is purely hypothetical - that the issue of the upside-down cross would have not been mentioned if the injury was much more serious (for instance, if he had severed an artery and was bleeding profusely).
Honestly, I think some people are a bit hypersensitive when it comes to religion.
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Not all expression is equal, and hate speech has been deemed to be unprotected speech in many countries, including the one in which you reside.
So then that a swastika on clothing, without the wearer making any comments or actions indicating if it was a Nazi swastika or a Buddhist/Hindu swastika (it does not seem from the story told that the wearer made any indications as to what it represented) should immediately be categorized as "fighting words" and hate speech? Common sense wise of course it should be but I'm wondering in a legal sense it should be as well?
So then that a swastika on clothing, without the wearer making any comments or actions indicating if it was a Nazi swastika or a Buddhist/Hindu swastika (it does not seem from the story told that the wearer made any indications as to what it represented) should immediately be categorized as "fighting words" and hate speech? Common sense wise of course it should be but I'm wondering in a legal sense it should be as well?
Yah, you are correct. I was kicking him out for sporting some type of hindu swastika, gotcha.
So you were just playing devil's advocate? And the comments about myself and discrimination? Do you even realize what you post?
So then that a swastika on clothing, without the wearer making any comments or actions indicating if it was a Nazi swastika or a Buddhist/Hindu swastika (it does not seem from the story told that the wearer made any indications as to what it represented) should immediately be categorized as "fighting words" and hate speech? Common sense wise of course it should be but I'm wondering in a legal sense it should be as well?
That's actually a really good question, in the US the symbol alone obviously isn't subject to censorship as hate speech otherwise we wouldn't see it at kkk rallies an the like, so the line is kind of blurry, but I wonder what the standard is elsewhere. I'll post if I find anything.
