Flames Goaltending

[Frank MetaMusil]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Draft as many goalies as you'd like (in later rounds) and let god sort them out.

Look at Nashville, San Jose and the LA Kings. Goalie factories in recent years. They don't focus on one guy, they draft and develop them and let the cream rise to the top. That's exactly what the Flames should be doing.

For this upcoming season, it's not a big deal, maybe a guy like Ramo can step up, who knows, that would be okay for a season or two too.

I commend the Flames for trying to find goalies. Since Vernon, or even Kidd (4th all time in Flames goalie wins) they haven't drafted and kept any of them. Seeing Craig Anderson in the 3rd round of 1999 draft is hilarious now.

If there's one area Calgary has lucked out on multiple occasions, it's goaltending.

Edit - The Brodeur trade was still awful as well.

[FlamesAddiction]

I think Ramo is going to be OK for us. We obviously can't expect a replacement for Kiprsusoff of the past, but I suspect he will be a legitimate #1B goalie.

After that, I really like the potential of Gillies in a few years.

[Frank MetaMusil]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I think Ramo is going to be OK for us. We obviously can't expect a replacement for Kiprsusoff of the past, but I suspect he will be a legitimate #1B goalie.

After that, I really like the potential of Gillies in a few years.

Goalies are messed up. Vernon was the best goalie to play for Calgary, imo. He's memorable from the 86 run and also for his sustained success for the 10+ years afterwards. His scrap with Roy was awesome. Vernie is a top 5 favorite flame for me. Shut down Edmonton on many occasions when they were a powerhouse.

[bluloc]

Macdonald will be back most likely, he is the only non question mark we have in net. I tbought he played really well all things considered.

[Da_Chief]

I've read that about Khudobin as well but I don't get it, he's so close to being a #1 in the NHL, having paid his dues as a backup and now he bolts?

Bernier, Bishopp will cost assets and I really don't think they're much better then Khudobin so if we he's staying in the NHL I'd really like us to go hard after him and bring him here. Shoring up the tending for few years in this re-build.

[Caged Great]

I would look at finding another goalie outside the organization. I think that the best case scenario would be for us to venture once again into the euro market and sign someone like Antti Raanta who is dominating the sm-liiga. Have the three goalies duke it out in camp. The winner starts the runner up becomes the backup and the third goalie joins Brossoit on the farm.

That way it doesn't cost much in terms of assets departing, basically just cash, and you will have 3 chances at finding a Hiller or Backstrom type to replace Kipper.

[GrammarPolice]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I think Ramo is going to be OK for us. We obviously can't expect a replacement for Kiprsusoff of the past, but I suspect he will be a legitimate #1B goalie.

After that, I really like the potential of Gillies in a few years.

I do not understand the lofty expectations for Ramo around here.

He wasn't overly successful in his previous stint in North America, two other NHL clubs have essentially given up on him and his largest successes have been in a league where Jeff Glass and Curtis Sanford have looked like world class goaltenders at times. Despite this, he is often talked about as Kipper's heir apparent.

The high hopes seem to be tied to Feaster billing him as one of the best goaltenders in Europe. This is the same guy that tagged Cervenka as one of the best players outside the NHL last year and apparently expected him to fill in as Jokinen's replacement down the middle.

Maybe Ramo will come in and have success. Maybe he will come in and be the next Jonas Gustavsson. To be (intellectually) honest, the latter scenario seems more likely to me.

[OffsideSpecialist]

Originally Posted by jesters91

If the rumor of a possible swap with Ottawa involving Glencross for Bishop are remotely true I like the idea of a Ramo / Bishop tandem to start next season.

It sounds like the Senators' phone has been ringing off the hook for a Bishop trade, Murray says it will take a hell of a deal to get Bishop out of town. In the end, I don't think Bishop will be worth the Sens' price tag. I would prefer to go with the guys we have and hopefully one of them will excel.

[Savvy27]

Originally Posted by GrammarPolice

I do not understand the lofty expectations for Ramo around here.

He wasn't overly successful in his previous stint in North America, two other NHL clubs have essentially given up on him and his largest successes have been in a league where Jeff Glass and Curtis Sanford have looked like world class goaltenders at times. Despite this, he is often talked about as Kipper's heir apparent.

The high hopes seem to be tied to Feaster billing him as one of the best goaltenders in Europe. This is the same guy that tagged Cervenka as one of the best players outside the NHL last year and apparently expected him to fill in as Jokinen's replacement down the middle.

Maybe Ramo will come in and have success. Maybe he will come in and be the next Jonas Gustavsson. To be (intellectually) honest, the latter scenario seems more likely to me.

Are expectations that he can play in the NHL lofty? I don't see anyone anointing him a Vezina candidate.

[H2SO4(aq)]

Originally Posted by Da_Chief

I've read that about Khudobin as well but I don't get it, he's so close to being a #1 in the NHL, having paid his dues as a backup and now he bolts?

Bernier, Bishopp will cost assets and I really don't think they're much better then Khudobin so if we he's staying in the NHL I'd really like us to go hard after him and bring him here. Shoring up the tending for few years in this re-build.

Retweet. Please pursue him hard on July 1 Feaster, dont get caught thinking that you have outsmarted the hockey world again with Ramo/Berra.

[Bourque's Twin]

I hope Danny Taylor gets a legitimate shot to make the Flames next year. I heard a story that he went up to Hartley before the Canucks game and said something along the lines of, "Coach, this may be my last opportunity to ever play in the NHL for the rest of my life. Start me tonight. I can get you that win." He got he Flames that win.

[Da_Chief]

Originally Posted by Bourque's Twin

I hope Danny Taylor gets a legitimate shot to make the Flames next year. I heard a story that he went up to Hartley before the Canucks game and said something along the lines of, "Coach, this may be my last opportunity to ever play in the NHL for the rest of my life. Start me tonight. I can get you that win." He got he Flames that win.

Nice story but no thanks.

[Bourque's Twin]

Originally Posted by Da_Chief

Nice story but no thanks.

No thanks to what? Giving him a legitimate chance to earn a spot on the team?

[oldschoolcalgary]

not sure why anyone is worried about the goal tending situation?

We have the two best goalies outside of the NHL in Ramo and Berra. Goaltending should not be an issue going forward.

[Da_Chief]

Originally Posted by Bourque's Twin

No thanks to what? Giving him a legitimate chance to earn a spot on the team?

Basically, don't think he's good enough. Sure bring him over on a AHL deal but don't spend a contract on him.

[BruceCody]

Flames have good goalkeepers for "Battle top pick" next few years.
Maybe some users thought that Calgary make play-off next year? Sorry guys

[Ozy_Flame]

The nice thing about the #1 job next year with what we have is that it's no one's spot to lose and everyone's spot to win.

You can bet Ramo, Berra and possibly MacDonald, Taylor and Irving are going to fight like there's no tomorrow for it.

[badradio]

I was hoping for more of a transition where Kipper was backing up someone, kind of like having that Kipper/Turek tandem for one year... It's hard to not resign MacDonald if Kipper retires... at least he's somewhat proven.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

*IMPORTANT* The Flames aren't winning anything for 2-3 years, so I don't care who starts in net for that period. Get Darren Pang for all I care.

My best guess for next year:

NHL-Sign Ramo. Re-sign MacDonald to a 1-2 year deal. Ramo starts 50-60 games. MacDonald gets the other 20-30, unless of course Ramo is lights out.

AHL-Sign Brossoit to an ELC. Place Berra in AHL. Fight to the death, best goalie wins starting job. There can be only one!

College-Gillies continues to develop for 2-3 years in Providence. He will eventually become the starter for the Flames.

Europe-Ortio continues to start and develop in Finland. Kipper goes back to Finland and becomes his coach.

Irving, Taylor, Brust: Thanks for the hard work fellas. Good luck to you in your future endeavors.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by GrammarPolice

I do not understand the lofty expectations for Ramo around here.

He wasn't overly successful in his previous stint in North America, two other NHL clubs have essentially given up on him and his largest successes have been in a league where Jeff Glass and Curtis Sanford have looked like world class goaltenders at times. Despite this, he is often talked about as Kipper's heir apparent.

He was really young during his first "stint". Very few goalies are NHL ready by that time. And there is more to it than just stats. Why can a player like Jagr come to the NHL and put up the same or better numbers than in the KHL, yet other players with similar stats in the KHL can't?

The high hopes seem to be tied to Feaster billing him as one of the best goaltenders in Europe. This is the same guy that tagged Cervenka as one of the best players outside the NHL last year and apparently expected him to fill in as Jokinen's replacement down the middle.

Maybe Ramo will come in and have success. Maybe he will come in and be the next Jonas Gustavsson. To be (intellectually) honest, the latter scenario seems more likely to me.

For the the record, I was big on Ramo before then. I even had him on my draft deal wishlist a year and half before we actually acquired him (June 2010):

http://forum.calgarypuck.com/showthr...mo#post2537498 (post #7)