2016/2017 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[MarkGio]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Because if it is a sign and trade with New Jersey they don't get a say.

I thought all 30 GMs had to approve Kovalchuk entering the league?

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by MarkGio

I thought all 30 GMs had to approve Kovalchuk entering the league?

Not if he signs with New Jersey. Only if he tries to sign with another team.

So what he will do if he comes back, is with permission from New Jersey, he will find a fit, then sign a contract with New Jersey and they will then trade him to that team with a pre-arranged return.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by MarkGio

I thought all 30 GMs had to approve Kovalchuk entering the league?

To become a full FA.

Otherwise NJ can just sign him whenever and trade him to whoever.

[oldschoolcalgary]

WRT Eberle a lot of folks that Justin Shultz was a bust too...

Eberle, when he was a junior, was the definition of big game player...So i think he still might be a salvageable reclamation project if he lands on the right team...

that said, i wouldn't sacrifice assets unless the Oilers swallow a chunk (like 33%) of that ridiculous contract they gave him, cause he's pretty much untradeable at this point in time unless a team is just looking to hit the cap floor

it is quite possible that Eberle has been too corrupted by the Oilers 'player development' of the old regime

[nickerjones]

Originally Posted by oldschoolcalgary

WRT Eberle a lot of folks that Justin Shultz was a bust too...

Eberle, when he was a junior, was the definition of big game player...So i think he still might be a salvageable reclamation project if he lands on the right team...

that said, i wouldn't sacrifice assets unless the Oilers swallow a chunk (like 33%) of that ridiculous contract they gave him, cause he's pretty much untradeable at this point in time unless a team is just looking to hit the cap floor

it is quite possible that Eberle has been too corrupted by the Oilers 'player development' of the old regime

Remember his first NHL goal? Wasn't it on Kipper? ... and Ian White?

[Monahan For Mayor]

Wouldn't be surprised if eberle is trade to Vegas for one of the dmen Vegas drafts. Eberle will bring an entertainment factor to a team lacking forward skil.

[Karl]

Originally Posted by nickerjones

Remember his first NHL goal? Wasn't it on Kipper? ... and Ian White?

Yes.

[Azhouse]

Originally Posted by nickerjones

... and Ian White?

And merely a few years later he was playing for the Steinbach Huskies. Good one Suttsy.

[Anduril]

When you look at even the skilled players to engage physically in the playoffs, you won't find Eberle doing any of that. If you're a team lacking offensive skill it might interesting but otherwise, pass given all the costs (capspace and otherwise).

[Love]

Originally Posted by Anduril

When you look at even the skilled players to engage physically in the playoffs, you won't find Eberle doing any of that. If you're a team lacking offensive skill it might interesting but otherwise, pass given all the costs (capspace and otherwise).

Sounds like Brouwer with offensive skill

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by oldschoolcalgary

it is quite possible that Eberle has been too corrupted by the Oilers 'player development' of the old regime

Schultz, Dubnyk and Perron all rehabbed fine after leaving the Oilers. Jury is still out on Petry, Davidson, Marincin, and Hall but one thing is for sure those guys aren't doing any worse.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Azhouse

And merely a few years later he was playing for the Steinbach Huskies. Good one Suttsy.

Oh to return to the halcyon days where people would argue with a straight face that Ian White was 'better defensively' than Dion.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Oh to return to the halcyon days where people would argue with a straight face that Ian White was 'better defensively' than Dion.

White is an example of why you can't look at "games played" to decide the quality of a player. He has 503 NHL games (which is decent), but most with a terrible Leafs team that didn't have better options.

You always see the arguments that a player has "x" number of games and a draft pick is unlikely to ever play that number of games, so it is worth it to trade the pick for that player. I doubt any GM worth his paycheck ever looks at that, but fans use it all the time to justify bad trades.

[Calgary4LIfe]

I wouldn't take Eberle for free right now. It isn't that he is a terrible player, but he is terribly overpriced. You get a soft player who can put in a decent amount of offence. That offence isn't elite either - he is around a mid-20's goals per year scorer (he only finished with 20 this past year, even though it was his only full 82 game season, but I would say he continues to hit in the 20's).

That's about all you get out of him, however. He isn't physical. He doesn't add some blazing speed to give the opposition problems in coverage. He is awful defensively.

Would I take him on the Flames? Maybe... but I might be inclined to keep Brouwer over him. Brouwer is usually a high teens goal scorer, but is also much slower than Eberle. However, he at least brings a decent defensive game (he really isn't bad) and does bring some grittiness (though that aspect was exaggerated from reputation than anything I consistently saw).

Eberle has scored 20 total more goals than Brouwer over the last 4 seasons. That's an average of 5 a year. You have to really like Eberle as a player to figure he is worth 2 million more a season than Brouwer. Given their respective games away from the puck, I pick Brouwer every time, and I haven't liked Brouwer this season.

You would be acquiring a 6 million dollar whipping boy. That's about it. Long stretches of zero goals and next to nothing in terms of defence, intangibles, leadership (come on, he really wears an A up there?). I don't think you can bank on him changing his game or 'returning to form' - I would think the past 6 seasons are more indicative than the one season (7 seasons ago) in his 2nd year in the NHL. Who banks on players returning to form after 7 seasons away from their 'form'. That to me screams outlier now. A season or two - even three? Sure, I won't argue. But seven seasons is a very long time to expect a player to rebound from.

As for Jankowski, I definitely see him as a future 2nd line center on the team. I thought he was NHL ready for this year - at least halfway through if not earlier. He had one game, and sample sizes are incredibly small especially given he was playing on the 4th line, but I thought he created offence and played mistake free. That's essentially his game. Solid 2 way center with the ability to make the players around him better. Flames are adamant in trying to develop Bennett as a center - and rightfully so, as he does have a very high ceiling. Jankowski could really be a benefit there and just get him into the NHL playing wing for now. Bennett needs players with some skill to play with. Also interesting is that Jankowski has never really played with talent before this season - Mangiapane is probably the most gifted offensive player he has played with including prep school and through the NCAA.

Get those two playing together. I don't even care which one is a center and which one is a winger.

Also, re-sign Versteeg. He is good with Monahan. Hopefully find another RW winger (not named Eberle).

[Robbob]

I don't see what exactly Eberle has done to warrant first line duties. Guy has 2 points in the 9 playoff games. He is a paid like a first line player, but that is where it ends. Do not want. Brouwer was more impactful.

[Matt Reeeeead]

Eberle's comparable would be Versteeg. I like Steeger, but not at 6M.

[TheScorpion]

Eberle is a slightly better scorer than Versteeg, but Versteeg is a better playmaker and more feisty.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

Eberle has scored 20 total more goals than Brouwer over the last 4 seasons. That's an average of 5 a year.

He's also put up 75+ points more than Brouwer over that same time...

Originally Posted by Matt Reeeeead

Eberle's comparable would be Versteeg. I like Steeger, but not at 6M.

No, no his comparable is not Versteeg.

I get it, the guy is overpaid and part of the loser core of a loser organization. But up until this year, where he still put up 50+ points, the guy has been a consistent high level 60+ point producer in a league where there aren't many consistent 60+ point producers.

Over the last 4 years only 29 players have outscored him, he has the same amount of points as the Sedins, more than Duchene, Marleau, Monahan....

He's no more a comparable to Brouwer and Versteeg than Monahan is a comparable to Letestu.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

He's also put up 75+ points more than Brouwer over that same time...


No, no his comparable is not Versteeg.

I get it, the guy is overpaid and part of the loser core of a loser organization. But up until this year, where he still put up 50+ points, the guy has been a consistent high level 60+ point producer in a league where there aren't many consistent 60+ point producers.

Over the last 4 years only 29 players have outscored him, he has the same amount of points as the Sedins, more than Duchene, Marleau, Monahan....

He's no more a comparable to Brouwer and Versteeg than Monahan is a comparable to Letestu.

Pretty ridiculous statement at the end there. Eberle has zero defensive game. Nice how you use a 4 year sample size and toss Monahan in there so his 34pt rookie season skews the numbers.

Eberle is paid to be an elite top line talent and he is a middling second line forward. He might score 10-20pts more than Frolik but brings zero on the PK and makes $1.7M more. Frolik got those dollars as a 27 year old UFA and Eberle gets his deal out of his ELC.

[Robbob]

Consistent 60+ is a stretch considering he had 60+ 3 of his 7 seasons. With his last one three seasons ago. He got a ton of points early in his career because the Oilers had no system and thought purely offense.