Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

Mr. Warmonger weighs in.



http://thehill.com/policy/defense/21...#ixzz37kNE7rVu

I don't get your post here, there's nothing the matter with what McCain said here, especially since there were 23 American's on that plane.

Of course there should be hell to pay.

But that hell will probably not be on the battlefield.

[nik-]

https://twitter.com/NajibRazak/statu...02841322582016

Well we can all relax now, the Malaysian investigators are on it.

[devo22]

German airline Lufthansa have announced that they will now change the routes of all their flights to and from Asia and will not fly to or over Ukraine from today. I imagine that several airlines will do the same.

[J epworth]

Originally Posted by Byrns

Why would Ukrainians shoot down a plane? The rebels aren't operating any air assets afaik.

They wouldn't. But the conspiracy theorist would say they would shoot it down to get more international support on their side and possibly bring more military support on the ground if it's believed Russians shot the plane down filled with 80 kids and people from all over Europe and America.

***I DO NOT BELIEVE WHAT I JUST WROTE***

[Knut]

@michaeldweiss: FYI: Strelkov statement not fake. Posted to his VKontake account. Translated her: http://t.co/F5WHgo5OoT

@CassLGarrison: International airlines saying they will avoid Ukrainian airspace after #MH17 crash. LIVE @Reuters coverage here: http://t.co/114REj9DIT

@MillerMENA: Ukraine's Separatist Posted a Pic Of Advanced Buk SAM System & Key Suspect, But Deleted It http://t.co/LJt9jEyqHL cc @michaeldweiss

@Reuters: #BREAKING: Number of dead from crash of #MH17 more than 300, includes 23 U.S. citizen: Interior Ministry adviser, quoted by Interfax

[ranchlandsselling]

Originally Posted by jschick88

Heart Breaking.

PzFeed Top News ‏@PzFeed 4s

UKRAINE JET DISASTER: - Malaysian plane shot down -

295 dead -

80 kids -

23 Americans

World's deadliest aviation incident since 9/11.

Ugh,..

80 kids seems an awful lot. Is it normal that 29% of a flight is kids? That would almost be two parents and one kid out of every three passengers.

[Ozy_Flame]

23 Americans were killed?

The U.S. is not going to be happy.

[TheyCallMeBruce]

Originally Posted by nik-

https://twitter.com/NajibRazak/statu...02841322582016

Well we can all relax now, the Malaysian investigators are on it.

So they're hiring that witch doctor specialist again? This time, the plane might still be in the air, or possibly shot down, or in the sea, or landed safely somewhere. Better consult the coconuts and the weave basket for accurate guidance.

[Table 5]

Originally Posted by devo22

I imagine that several airlines will do the same.

I know zilch about flight path protocols or the industry in general, but I'm kind of surprised they were flying over it in the first place. Is it normal to fly over war zones?

[Jordan!]

Unreal...

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

I didn't if you look at my earlier posts, I did discuss the possibility since the Ukraine's also use this system.

I just don't see why the Ukraine's would shoot down a civilian airliner and then a well known separatist would take credit thought?

Or that it happened in the same area that 2 Ukrainian planes were recently shot down in.

The only people using military planes right now in the area are the Ukrainians, and perhaps the Russians. There is no way the Ukrainians would be attempting shoot down a Russian plane at this point, because they know it would pretty much end them in this conflict. Russia just wants one reason to roll over Ukraine, and that would be it.

Unless it is a conspiracy, the most logical scenarios are that the plane crashed for reasons unrelated to the conflict and the location is just a coincidence, or that the separatists shot it down because they lack proper training on identifying planes. Just my opinion.

[Regorium]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Unless it is a conspiracy, the most logical scenarios are that the plane crashed for reasons unrelated to the conflict and the location is just a coincidence, or that the separatists shot it down because they lack proper training on identifying planes. Just my opinion.

100% agree with this.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Table 5

I know zilch about flight path protocols or the industry in general, but I'm kind of surprised they were flying over it in the first place. Is it normal to fly over war zones?

this isn't a standard war zone by any stretch. Usually a air warning will go out telling commercial planes not to fly over the area because of the danger of either intentional or unintentional shoot downs.

A lunatic posting on twitter for example doesn't count.

Plus no one probably thought that the Separatists would be driving around in a mufti-million dollar medium range mobile air defense system.

[Knut]

@vicenews: According to local reports, pro-Russia rebels were the first to arrive and have taken control of the crash site: http://t.co/F6nV0rAyev

No good that rebels took control of the crash site.

[J79]

Confirmed that at least 22 Dutch citizens were on this flight.
This number could increase to 35-40.

EDIT: the number could increase to 50+

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Hesla

@vicenews: According to local reports, pro-Russia rebels were the first to arrive and have taken control of the crash site: http://t.co/F6nV0rAyev

No good that rebels took control of the crash site.

Any missile fragments will be gone in the next few hours.

Any chance of a forensic link is probably gone.

[MarchHare]

Originally Posted by Byrns

Why would Ukrainians shoot down a plane? The rebels aren't operating any air assets afaik.

Perhaps the SAM was fired during a routine training exercise and accidentally destroyed the civilian airliner. That exact scenario happened in 2001: the Ukrainian military shot down Siberia Airlines 1812 with a SAM.

I'm not saying it's likely that the Ukrainian military is responsible, but I don't think we can completely rule out that possibility either.

[Ducay]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Unless it is a conspiracy, the most logical scenarios are that the plane crashed for reasons unrelated to the conflict and the location is just a coincidence, or that the separatists shot it down because they lack proper training on identifying planes. Just my opinion.

The chances of it going down for unrelated reasons to the conflict are about 0.0000005%. To have a major airliner go down mid-flight after it has been flying straight and at altitude for hours is hard enough. (Lets ignore MH370 for time being).

Probability of a major airliner crashing is very low
Probability of that happening not in first/last 20 minutes is even crazy lower
Probability of incident occuring @ 30,000ft, again, even more remote
Probability of that happening over Ukraine is even lower
Probability of that happening over Eastern Ukraine, in one of the areas that seperatist happen to still control, and has seen fighting in recent days....even more more remote.

For all those to line up and not be related, nearly impossible, but as MH370 proved, anything is possible.

[Table 5]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Plus no one probably thought that the Separatists would be driving around in a mufti-million dollar medium range mobile air defense system.

I don't think it's unreasonable to think that pro-Russian rebels who are probably being supplied by the Russians, would have access to some serious tools. I would consider the area a war-zone right now, and if someone told me my flight path would go over Ukraine, I'd be pretty surprised. Just like if someone told me we'd be flying over Gaza.

But like I said, I don't know if this kind of this is normal, and it may very well be. Thanks for the insight!

[Canuck-Hater]

Wow the investigation hasn't even begun and already its Russia's fault? Lets not jump to conclusions.