Jian Ghomeshi no longer with CBC

[Puppet Guy]

Originally Posted by Reaper

Rape is okay as long as it can be considered retribution then?

[1stLand]

Billy Bob Thornton was a genius in that interview. Pure Genius. If I was him, I would have responded the same way

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Cameron Swift

People are aware he hasn't actually been found guilty, right?

I'm always amused when people make this argument.

The internet is not a court of law and the court of public opinion is something else entirely.

[MarchHare]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

I'm always amused when people make this argument.

The internet is not a court of law and the court of public opinion is something else entirely.

That, and if it was just one woman (the so-called "jilted ex-lover") making the allegations, I might be more inclined to take a wait-and-see approach regarding his guilt or innocence. But how many women have come forward with similar stories now? Like eight or nine? What possible motivation could that many women, none of whom know each other, have for making up stories of being victims of sexual violence?

#IBelieveLucy and his other victims. I can't say whether or not there's sufficient evidence for the justice system to convict him, but he's definitely guilty.

[1stLand]

I wish Ghomeshi never did these "alleged" terrible things to women.
He was a great role model to Middle Eastern / South Asian people and a great interviewer (Terrible Musician Though).
He also added to CBC's cultural diversity.
Now he isn't a great role model.

I don't know how anyone in his position right now can handle the scrutiny, stress, shame & fear that he must be facing.

Terrible Situation.

[troutman]

His lawyer has to look at the circumstances disclosed to her by the Crown. Her advice might later be to plea bargain, together with the condition that he seek psychiatric help and counseling.

I don't think an argument that he thought he had consent will work very well legally, and especially not in the court of public opinion. He is looking at jail time.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by troutman

His lawyer has to look at the circumstances disclosed to her by the Crown. Her advice might later be to plea bargain, together with the condition that he seek psychiatric help and counseling.

I don't think an argument that he thought he had consent will work very well legally, and especially not in the court of public opinion. He is looking at jail time.

I don't know how consent goes, but even if he asked for consent if followed physical battery or intimidation so doesn't the concept of consent go out the window then?

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by 1stLand

I wish Ghomeshi never did these "alleged" terrible things to women.
He was a great role model to Middle Eastern / South Asian people and a great interviewer (Terrible Musician Though).
He also added to CBC's cultural diversity.
Now he isn't a great role model.

I don't know how anyone in his position right now can handle the scrutiny, stress, shame & fear that he must be facing.

Terrible Situation.

At this point it is hard to have sympathy for him.

As Trout said, I suspect there must be some damning evidence for the police to press charges. If he is guilty, I hope he goes through a personal hell, I am sure his victims did.

[Swift]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

I'm always amused when people make this argument.

The internet is not a court of law and the court of public opinion is something else entirely.

Actually, I wasn't making that particular argument. I posted in reaction to the guys above my post who were saying "Oh, Ghomeshi is going to actually experience rough sex in jail now"

In other words, he's only been charged, not actually tried. And charges don't automatically lead to jail time, obviously.

[metallicat]

Amusing that he has female lawyers. Clearly not coincidental. No way he'd have male lawyers, as it would make it look like a bunch of men vs women. He's clearly going for some sympathy.

[darklord700]

Any source on how much this guy was making from CBC before this happened?

[OldDutch]

Originally Posted by darklord700

Any source on how much this guy was making from CBC before this happened?

This is the last article I can find on it, but looks like the numbers are questioned.

$60,844.32 to $77,390.42: Salary scale for radio host Jian Ghomeshi and host Amanda Lang

http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/05...#__federated=1

[troutman]

Originally Posted by darklord700

Any source on how much this guy was making from CBC before this happened?

I think Macleans reported he was making $500K.

I'm sure he had other significant income too, from public speaking.

[Burke Salad]

Originally Posted by oilers_fan

Amusing that he has female lawyers. Clearly not coincidental. No way he'd have male lawyers, as it would make it look like a bunch of men vs women. He's clearly going for some sympathy.

They are both beautiful as well!

[Flamenspiel]

Marie Henein is one of the best lawyers in Canada. I am sure he won't end up doing time.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Flamenspiel

Marie Henein is one of the best lawyers in Canada. I am sure he won't end up doing time.

Unless she's stuck with a lousy set of facts.

I'm pretty sure that the video that he shot that caused CBC executives to recoil in horror and boot him out will be on bold display.

He might not end up serving a lot, but if he's found guilty he will end up with something.

On top of that he's now radioactive in his industry, he might as well reform Moxy Fruvous and go play coffee houses in Texas

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Unless she's stuck with a lousy set of facts.

I'm pretty sure that the video that he shot that caused CBC executives to recoil in horror and boot him out will be on bold display.

He might not end up serving a lot, but if he's found guilty he will end up with something.

On top of that he's now radioactive in his industry, he might as well reform Moxy Fruvous and go play coffee houses in Texas

If Jian Ghomeshi is as big of an egomaniac and sociopath as he seems to be, I think his downfall will be what comes out of his own mouth. I am sure his lawyer will be begging him to shut his mouth.

[troutman]

CBC and colleague Sook-Yin Lee piling on:

Sook-Yin Lee ‏@sookyinlee
The Unmaking of Jian Ghomeshi : @cbc insiders tell the story of what really happened Friday at 9PM on @cbcfifth #cbcfifth

[troutman]

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/sandy-g...tml?&ir=Canada

Apart from the media notoriety and Ghomeshi's status as a public figure, the most outstanding evidentiary feature of this case is his own widely disseminated statement on Facebook (now removed). This one act, seemingly taken in solitary desperation, radically re-set the trial dynamic by putting Ghomeshi's own credibility and even his character on trial.

In light of multiple but very consistent versions of events from a variety of sources dating back many years, that Facebook statement is devastating.

While there will be many legal technicalities, the complainants' evidence will be measured against Ghomeshi's own publicly stated defence. That defence, almost lost in an effusion of highfalutin malarkey, amounts to a claim that his sexual relations were not merely consensual but unambiguously and consensually violent; any statements to the contrary are all lies and the fruit of embittered female collusion.

Well. That's a fine mess for Marie Henein, Ghomeshi's defence counsel, to try to clean up. Wherever possible, counsel want to leave open the possibility of a mistake -- in other words, that both parties are honest and one of them is honestly mistaken. That crack in the doorway allows just enough light of day for reasonable doubt. But Jian slammed it shut on Facebook.

[darklord700]

This will be a classic he said she said trial. And ultimately, it's is the characters of Ghomensi and his accussers that are on trial here.