The Sports Forecaster's Flames Prospect Rankings

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Backlund: 16-27
Bennett: 20-31
Bouma: 15-15 (seems wildly optimistic)
Brodie: 11-44 (flagged as a Norris candidate)
Brouwer: 25-27
Chiasson: 11-10
Ferland: 12-12
Froli: 14-26
Gaudreau: 35-57
Gio: 13-36
Hamilton: 11-37
Monny: 31-44
Shink: 14-14
Tkachuk: 15-16

1. Johnny - 92 points
2. Monahan - 75 points
3. Brodie - 55 points
4. Brouwer - 52 points
5. Bennett - 51 points
6. Giordano - 49 points
7. Hamilton - 48 points
8. Backlund - 43 points
9. Frolik - 40 points
10. Tkachuk - 31 points
11. Bouma 30 points
12. Shinkaruk - 28 points
13. Ferland - 24 points
14. Chiasson - 21 points


If that happens the Flames don't finish 4th in the division and miss the playoffs.

Not unless those are the only 14 skaters they dress all season and both goalies shart the bed too.

[dino7c]

Remember last year when they predicted the Pens and Sharks in the final?

yeah me neither...don't get too bent outta shape about these lists. Flames usually do better when the team is predicted to fail anyway

[bigrangy]

^those are all very reasonable guesses for what each players production will be this year. Obviously, the players sharing 4th line minutes wont put up 30 points, but anyone who plays with backlund is almost a lock for 25 points. Monahan can hopefully step up with more PP production. 52 should be very doable for Brouwer with JG feeding him as well. All 3 d-men should flirt with 50 points, assuming GG lets them play. I'm expecting a big season out of Bennett, and Frolik is as much of a lock for 40 points as you can get.

Calgary has a solid top 6 forwards who can be counted on for 40 points each, the depth is where the question marks show up. Who plays with Backlund, who needs to drag around Bollig, who's only going to play 8 minutes a game etc. Same story on the defense. These questions might have the right answers with new players like Shunk, Tkachuk, healthy Bouma, Chiasson etc, but for now they're still questions. Thankfully, the goaltending shouldn't be a disaster, because that can sink a team before the end of October.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Picked up a copy too. They predict the Flames will be 4th in the division (Oilers 7th) and miss the playoffs.
Specific player predictions
Backlund: 16-27
Bennett: 20-31
Bouma: 15-15 (seems wildly optimistic)
Brodie: 11-44 (flagged as a Norris candidate)
Brouwer: 25-27
Chiasson: 11-10
Ferland: 12-12
Froli: 14-26
Gaudreau: 35-57
Gio: 13-36
Hamilton: 11-37
Monny: 31-44
Shink: 14-14
Tkachuk: 15-16

To be honest, this is why I find magazines like this weird at times. Based on the predictions for each player (which aren't even exhaustive) the Flames would score 250 goals - and have a Norris candidate (Brodie), Calder candidate (Tkachuk) and Hart candidate (Johnny). They would also see production increases from virtually every player.

Yet they will miss the playoffs.

Seems like a disconnect between the team reports and projections and the overall standings predictions.

yeah if that all happens and Elliott has a just below average season we will be frontrunners for winning the west not a playoff hopeful.

[1qqaaz]

I doubt that 9 of our players will get 40+ points. If it did happen, we'd probably be frontrunners.

That being said, I think the points per game projections are pretty close to being correct. We'll probably have a few major injuries and many minor injuries. I just hoping that we have the depth to succeed, even if our team sustains multiple major injuries. Hopefully our prospects are NHL-ready enough to step into NHL roles.

Luckily, Brodie, Gaudreau, Monahan, Hamilton, Frolik and Brouwer are all quite durable. They will hopefully be able to bring some consistency to the lineup.

Elliott is a pretty good goalie, and it's very likely that he will really help the team this year. However, even if he is only "okay", Johnson is a great backup. Johnson is capable of playing 30+ games if he has to. I love what Treliving did (in regards to goaltending) this summer.

Anyways, like dino7c said, let's not get too bent outta shape on these lists. There's so many unforeseeable variables (such as injuries, trades) that make it impossible. It's just fun to discuss.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

1. Johnny - 92 points
2. Monahan - 75 points
3. Brodie - 55 points
4. Brouwer - 52 points
5. Bennett - 51 points
6. Giordano - 49 points
7. Hamilton - 48 points
8. Backlund - 43 points
9. Frolik - 40 points
10. Tkachuk - 31 points
11. Bouma 30 points
12. Shinkaruk - 28 points
13. Ferland - 24 points
14. Chiasson - 21 points


If that happens the Flames don't finish 4th in the division and miss the playoffs.

Not unless those are the only 14 skaters they dress all season and both goalies shart the bed too.

so the Flames are going to play the same sort of system that has them have 3 d-men with 55, 49 and 48 pts?? Last year there were 17 d-men in the league that had more than 48 pts and 26 that had 40 or more.

Last year with a total of 12 missed games (all by Brodie) the Flames big 3 combined line was 39 goals 144 pts.

This year this prediction is calling for 35 goals and 152 pts!!!

Wideman having an off year and missing 31 games kicked in with 19 pts. He is a year away from a 56 pt season.... so maybe the Flames top-4 d-men will put up 200 pts.

ridiculous

[1qqaaz]

It's is ridiculous, and I love it. It's bold to say that the Flames defense will lead the NHL in points.

But it's also very possible as long as they stay healthy, and the coaching system doesn't shock them.

Bouma with 30? Now that's truly ridiculous.

[Enoch Root]

The point predictions for players are fine - as long as you look at it as the point pace they would play to if they were healthy.

It is impossible to predict that this player or that player will get injured. However, it is pretty easy to predict that if you are looking at 10 or 12 players, that 2 or 3 are probably going to miss a material number of games.

So looking at the list, the predictions are fine for the guys who remain healthy, and we can assume that 2 or 3 of those guys miss due to injuries. Looking at it in that manner makes the numbers look sensible and the team predictions aren't out of whack.

[Lanny_McDonald]

I'd like to know their methodology for prospect ranking. They are all over the place and make no sense.