Alexander Ovechkin v. The World

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by mile

https://twitter.com/user/status/1769908658262171660

So miserable

Yeah, so salty and it's great. Honestly though, what he accomplished is a feat. When you can name an accomplishment that has a very select group and one of them is Gordie Howe. Yeah, that is something special.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Boreal

Clearly he doesn't want Gretzky's record to be broken. Not exactly a shocker for an Oiler fan.

He might have broken it already but for two shortened seasons in his career (Gretzky had one shortened season). Plus, Ovie in the 1980s would have scored 70 goals on the regular.

Ovechkin is 38. Scores 21 3/4 of the way through the season. At age 37 (his last season) Gretzky scored 9.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

He might have broken it already but for two shortened seasons in his career (Gretzky had one shortened season). Plus, Ovie in the 1980s would have scored 70 goals on the regular.

Ovechkin is 38. Scores 21 3/4 of the way through the season. At age 37 (his last season) Gretzky scored 9.

There is no doubt that Ovechkin is the greatest goal scorer of all time. Getting the record only makes it official.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

There is no doubt that Ovechkin is the greatest goal scorer of all time. Getting the record only makes it official.

There's a few guys with shorter careers that might have given him a run.

Hull has 100 fewer goals but 150 fewer games. That one's close. Bure has 400 fewer goals but 700 fewer games. Mario has 150 fewer goals but 500 less games. I think he'd have more goals if his health wasn't an issue.

[Erick Estrada]

Mike Bossy has to be in any discussion for greatest goal scorer of all time.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Mike Bossy has to be in any discussion for greatest goal scorer of all time.

Yeah, 572 goals in 752 games. If given another 600 games how many does he get?

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Yeah, 572 goals in 752 games. If given another 600 games how many does he get?

I would imagine he would have got over 800 as least if he could have played until 34/35.

[butterfly]

As with any counting stat, longevity and durability are forgotten factors.

Otherwise we are really talking about rate stats which benefit people who get hurt or retire early, so their decline years don’t drag the number down.

[albertGQ]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

He might have broken it already but for two shortened seasons in his career (Gretzky had one shortened season). Plus, Ovie in the 1980s would have scored 70 goals on the regular.

Ovechkin is 38. Scores 21 3/4 of the way through the season. At age 37 (his last season) Gretzky scored 9.

He had two shortened Covid seasons plus he missed a full season due to the lockout.

[albertGQ]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Mike Bossy has to be in any discussion for greatest goal scorer of all time.

His prime was virtually at the same time as Gretzky's tenure with the Oilers. They almost match exactly. And Gretzky scored way more than Bossy and it wasn't even close during that stretch.

So who's to say his goal scoring wouldn't decrease as much as Wayne's did.

Tough to say.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by butterfly

As with any counting stat, longevity and durability are forgotten factors.

Otherwise we are really talking about rate stats which benefit people who get hurt or retire early, so their decline years don’t drag the number down.

Ovie wasn't injured. He had two shortened seasons.

[habernac]

I agree with Spector, to hell with the Putin lover. I hope he fails miserably.

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by butterfly

As with any counting stat, longevity and durability are forgotten factors.

Otherwise we are really talking about rate stats which benefit people who get hurt or retire early, so their decline years don’t drag the number down.

You better brush up on lockouts and covid.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Ovie wasn't injured. He had two shortened seasons.

Not talking about Ovechkin, it was in reference to Mike Bossy etc.

[Street Pharmacist]

Ovechkin is in the same book as Fleury with me. Be a garbage human and I'll immediately stop carrying about whatever else you've done

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by Samonadreau

You better brush up on lockouts and covid.

COVID cost about 36 games and a lockout usually costs about as much, the exception being the full year one.

If Ovechkin retired now those events would make a difference in an edge case like that, but not Pavel Bure, Brett Hull, Mike Bossy, etc.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by albertGQ

His prime was virtually at the same time as Gretzky's tenure with the Oilers. They almost match exactly. And Gretzky scored way more than Bossy and it wasn't even close during that stretch.

So who's to say his goal scoring wouldn't decrease as much as Wayne's did.

Tough to say.

Gretzky's goal scoring output was on the decline while Bossy was still scoring at a 60 goal per season clip when his back gave up with no signs of decline in his game. It's impossible to say how Bossy's career could have played out but if he was able to play into his mid-30's I think he could have got very close as his shot was as elite as there was in that day.

[Robbob]

For Spector to say it is non issue is pretty laughable. 19 straight 20+ seasons. The next active player is Marchand at 11 consecutive 20+ seasons. McDavid and Draisaitl are sitting on 8. This is a generational achievement. It will be 5-6 years before a player gets a chance to get above 14. Granted the current crop sitting on 9 (Kucherov) and 8 (wonder twins, Pasternak, Aho, and Matthews) might have a shot, but 6 seasons is still a lot of hockey. A lot needs to go right to get to 15, let alone 19.

[Red_Baron]

Best Case scenario:
He was 18 when the 2004-2005 season (Lockout-0 games actually played) should have started so give him a conservative 25 goals in that season. Heck, he probably would have had 30+
For '12-13 (lockout shortened season of 48 games), an additional 34 games at 0.7 goals/game would add 24.
For '19-20 (Covid shortened season, 69 games played for Washington), an additional 13 games at 0.7 goals/game would add 9.
For '20-21(Covid shortened season of 56) , he played in 45 of 56 games (80%) at 0.533 goals per game would add 11 with 66 games played.

This totals a simple prediction of 69 best-case scenario additional goals had there been no work stoppages or global pandemics.

If not for the stoppages, the real question would have been if he could have hit 1000 goals.

But...maybe one of those lost games could have been the game where he suffers a career threatening injury so best just focus on what he has accomplished thus far.

[Hockey Fan #751]

Originally Posted by Red_Baron

Best Case scenario:
He was 18 when the 2004-2005 season (Lockout-0 games actually played) should have started so give him a conservative 25 goals in that season. Heck, he probably would have had 30+
For '12-13 (lockout shortened season of 48 games), an additional 34 games at 0.7 goals/game would add 24.
For '19-20 (Covid shortened season, 69 games played for Washington), an additional 13 games at 0.7 goals/game would add 9.
For '20-21(Covid shortened season of 56) , he played in 45 of 56 games (80%) at 0.533 goals per game would add 11 with 66 games played.

This totals a simple prediction of 69 best-case scenario additional goals had there been no work stoppages or global pandemics.

If not for the stoppages, the real question would have been if he could have hit 1000 goals.

But...maybe one of those lost games could have been the game where he suffers a career threatening injury so best just focus on what he has accomplished thus far.

Nice.