07-23-2017, 08:52 AM
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Deep South
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Johnny one of the biggest draft day steals of the last 10 years
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07-23-2017, 09:05 AM
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#2
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Franchise Player
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Surprised Kucherov, Saad and Palat didn't make the top 10.
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07-23-2017, 09:13 AM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Originally Posted by Resolute 14
"First round pick does well. What a steal!"  |
Who are you talking about? Karlsson?
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07-23-2017, 09:15 AM
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Franchise Player
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Shea Weber and Duncan Keith?
Edit: my reading comprehension needs improvement
Last edited by timbit; 07-23-2017 at 09:18 AM.
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07-23-2017, 09:15 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by timbit
Shea Weber and Duncan Keith?
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The last 10 years
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07-23-2017, 09:17 AM
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Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Quote:
Originally Posted by timbit
Shea Weber and Duncan Keith?
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy
The last 10 years
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Yeah, if we're talking historical - Fleury, Makarov, Nieuwendyk.
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07-23-2017, 09:17 AM
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Regina
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TJ Brodie should be on this list
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07-23-2017, 09:22 AM
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If there was a re-draft, Gaudreau would likely be taken somewhere in the top ten and possibly the top five of that draft.
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Top 10? What the hell is he talking about?
If 2011 were redrawn today, the top 3 forwards would be Kucherov, Scheifele and Gaudreau IMO, in whatever order you prefer. Landeskog may sneak into that group, or be right behind it.
And Hamilton would still be the top defenseman.
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07-23-2017, 09:23 AM
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In the Sin Bin
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Location: Novi Sad, Serbia
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Gaudreau likely goes 1st OA, not top 5 or top 10.
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07-23-2017, 09:27 AM
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With Scheifele putting up a 30+ goal 80+ point season as a 6'3" 200+ lb center, I think I take him ahead of Johnny.
After that Johnny and Kucherov are in a dead heat for 2nd overall IMO.
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07-23-2017, 09:31 AM
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Celebrated Square Root Day
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Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy
With Scheifele putting up a 30+ goal 80+ point season as a 6'3" 200+ lb center, I think I take him ahead of Johnny.
After that Johnny and Kucherov are in a dead heat for 2nd overall IMO.
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Absolutely, but "would likely be taken top 10" was absurd by the author.
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07-23-2017, 09:35 AM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Flames fan in Seattle
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Wish this article would have said WHY these players had dropped. So we could learn some lessons.
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07-23-2017, 09:43 AM
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Celebrated Square Root Day
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Originally Posted by FBI
Wish this article would have said WHY these players had dropped. So we could learn some lessons.
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There typically isn't obvious lessons available when looking at big drops, otherwise those lessons would have been learned by the collective scouts across the NHL and players wouldn't drop like this almost every year.
The real answer is that there's hundreds upon hundreds of draft picks every year and 60-200+ are all very similar, most not able to make the NHL. So of course some are going to surprise, it's just a numbers game amongst a sea of high caliber professional hockey players.
To look at individual players and say "just find the next Johnny Gaudreau in the fourth round and draft him and you got yourself a star forward" is absurd because there's dozens of examples of small, speedy, skilled wingers just like Gaudreau drafted every single year who don't turn into stars.
The draft is way more of a crapshoot than a lot of fans like to think. They see the outcomes of good players and to look back and say "Well, the signs were there, I don't understand how they don't learn from this". They don't "learn" from it because there's not much to learn.
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07-23-2017, 10:47 AM
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#15
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Resolute 14
"First round pick does well. What a steal!" |
Karlsson went 15th overall. I'd call that a steal.
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07-23-2017, 11:17 AM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: San Fernando Valley
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I love the part about the 2007 draft where the Oilers had three 1st round picks and five picks made before Dallas took Jamie Benn. I get that teams may have passed on Gaudreau because of his size but Benn was good immediately after being drafted for the Stars so what did scouts miss on him? How do scouts universally miss a guy that went from the 5th round to scoring 22 goals the next season in the NHL and never looking back?
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07-23-2017, 11:22 AM
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Join Date: Sep 2015
Location: Paradise
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Erick Estrada
I love the part about the 2007 draft where the Oilers had three 1st round picks and five picks made before Dallas took Jamie Benn. I get that teams may have passed on Gaudreau because of his size but Benn was good immediately after being drafted for the Stars so what did scouts miss on him? How do scouts universally miss a guy that went from the 5th round to scoring 22 goals the next season in the NHL and never looking back?
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I believe he was a BCHLer in his draft year. Could be wrong though.
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07-23-2017, 11:26 AM
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#18
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GioforPM
Yeah, if we're talking historical - Fleury, Makarov, Nieuwendyk.
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Suter as well
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07-23-2017, 11:27 AM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: San Fernando Valley
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Samonadreau
I believe he was a BCHLer in his draft year. Could be wrong though.
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Yeah you are right. He played for the Rockets after but I was wrong in that he spent two seasons in Kelowna before his NHL rookie season. It appears he broke out a little later than other juniors and was hidden a bit in the BCHL.
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07-23-2017, 11:31 AM
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#20
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Franchise Player
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I would definitely have Ondrej Palat on the list
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