[Trade] Patrick Eaves traded to Anaheim for Second Round Pick

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by keenan87

That is a valid point and I will agree to that. The second round pick can be used as a chip for future deals but personally, I have very little faith that the 2nd round pick will become anything good if they simply use it for the draft.

I agree with you.

As Flames fans we've been dutifully trained to not expect a 2nd round draft pick to ever impact the main roster.

The only 2nd round picks that have played more than 200 games in the last 20 years have been Blair Betts, Brandon Prust and Kurtis Foster.

[keenan87]

Originally Posted by Beninho

You don't give up assets like a 2nd rounder when you are a young playoff bubble team. You conserve those assets, Ducks are in win now mode while they have some decent prospects in their farm which allows them to take a gamble on Eaves and possibly losing their first. Great deal for Dallas, ok deal for Anaheim but if they crash out in the conference finals it's a terrible deal. A second round pick in a draft where there is not much separating late first rounders and 3-4th rounders is valuable. Scout well and that pick could easily turn out to be a solid player, every year it happens. Flames are in no place to dish out first and seconds for veteran players who not will be in our future plans.

okayyy.... so when do we go from a "young" playoff bubble team to an "underachieving" playoff bubble team ... Not arguing but rather asking for your opinion ... at what point should this team be ready to compete? next year? 2018?

[sureLoss]

This does beg the question, what can the Flames get for Versteeg? Not saying I would necessarily move him but if Eaves can return this...

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by bigrangy

That's because they blew them all on marginal rentals like Eaves.

You can't succeed in this league without picks.

I'm optimistic about how far the Flames can go this year. They match up well against everyone but San Jose imo. But it's not time to buy with good assets yet. It's still building time.

The Flames are 1-1 in SJ this season and 1-0 at home against the Sharks. They were 2-2-1 in their Season Series with SJ last year.

Calgary matches up just fine with the Sharks.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by keenan87

Are you talking about Julien? The guy who has like 3 games under his belt with the Habs.. If that is who you are talking about, it's a very small sample size.

It was really dumb to be mad at the Flames because the Habs signed Julien

comparable to now being mad that the flames didn't give up a conditional 1st for Eaves

So many factors, for one a conditional from Anaheim is far more valuable

[DynamRyan]

No wrong thread

[The Fonz]

Originally Posted by polak

https://www.nhl.com/stars/news/dalla...es/c-287095724

Conditional second round pick/could be a 1st if they make the conference finals.

Would've been a perfect fit for the Flames.......

I'd have lost my #### if Treliving made this trade.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

This does beg the question, what can the Flames get for Versteeg? Not saying I would necessarily move him but if Eaves can return this...

Versteeg's contribution to a playoff berth and a potential run far outstrips what he might garner for the Flames in a trade.

[dino7c]

Flames, IF they make it likely get the Wild in the first round...should they pull off the upset then would likely get the Hawks in round two

good luck

its called reality

[dammage79]

Kind of shows how weak the draft is. Conditional 1st for eaves? That's a lot.

[keenan87]

Originally Posted by dino7c

It was really dumb to be mad at the Flames because the Habs signed Julien

comparable to now being mad that the flames didn't give up a conditional 1st for Eaves

So many factors, for one a conditional from Anaheim is far more valuable

Yeah, but I hope you are not talking about me being mad.

Flash said "Would not pay a 2nd for Eaves on this flames team." and that is what I responded to. I even mentioned above that if I am the Stars, I would rather take the Ducks offer than the Flames.

However, I will say that if this deal between the Stars-Flames, I wouldn't be opposed to it.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Flames, IF they make it likely get the Wild in the first round...should they pull off the upset then would likely get the Hawks in round two

good luck

its called reality

They have matched up quite well against both those teams this season. It is not some massive mis-match like you suggest.

[keenan87]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Flames, IF they make it likely get the Wild in the first round...should they pull off the upset then would likely get the Hawks in round two

good luck

its called reality

It's also called playoffs which is a whole new beast. I know the odds would be in favour of the Hawks but the Flames would also have lots of momentum after beating the top team in the west. Or do you suggest they just surrender at that point and not play any games?

It's playoffs man. Time and Time again you see upsets and cinderalla stories.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by keenan87

It's also called playoffs which is a whole new beast. I know the odds would be in favour of the Hawks but the Flames would also have lots of momentum after beating the top team in the west. Or do you suggest they just surrender at that point and not play any games?

It's playoffs man. Time and Time again you see upsets and cinderalla stories.

2 times past the first round in almost 30 years...one time past the 2nd round

this is not the year to mortgage the future

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by polak

Would've been a perfect fit for the Flames.......

Not at that cost. It's awesome because this happens right before the Ducks play the Kings

[keenan87]

Originally Posted by dino7c

2 times past the first round in almost 30 years...one time past the 2nd round

this is not the year to mortgage the future

So, when do you think would be a good time to mortgage the future? I understand we are not a contender right now. However, when in your opinion, should the Flames start taking risks?

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by keenan87

So, when do you think would be a good time to mortgage the future? I understand we are not a contender right now. However, when in your opinion, should the Flames start taking risks?

when they aren't hanging onto a wildcard spot by the thread...hopefully next season or the year after

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Versteeg's contribution to a playoff berth and a potential run far outstrips what he might garner for the Flames in a trade.

Uh, what?

Versteeg is found money. If you can get a 2nd round pick for him I have a really hard time with why you'd say no?

Trade Versteeg, call up Hathaway, play Ferland in the top 6, pick 3 times in first 6 picks or trade all 3 of those picks for a marquee young player to contend faster.

I get it, I get it, you don't trade everyone, but players you do trade are 30 year old forwards on bargain contracts who were looking at playing in Europe until a week before the season started.

[polak]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Flames, IF they make it likely get the Wild in the first round...should they pull off the upset then would likely get the Hawks in round two

good luck

its called reality

The Flames had no problem with the Wild and have won all 3 games against so far. They're 1-1 vs. the Hawks so far.

Flames match up decently with everyone in the West besides the Oilers who have owned them this year.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

This does beg the question, what can the Flames get for Versteeg? Not saying I would necessarily move him but if Eaves can return this...

I'd think a 2nd, or a 3rd/conditional 2nd based on playoff success. Versteeg is dirt cheap just like Eaves, so I think Versteeg has more value than someone like Iggy who carries that big hit.

Step 1: Trade Wideman (3rd with retained salary)
Step 2: Trade Versteeg (3rd)
Step 3: Acquire Iginla (late round pick + Joki or Wotherspoon?)
= net assets and net improvement today.