[News] Calgary Flames sat down with the league to talk about penalties drawn on the team

[hockey.modern]

As per Elliotte Friedman on HNIC, the Flames and the league sat down to discuss every penalty drawn on the team this year.

[The Professor]

Fascinating! But I guess it's being discussed elsewhere?

[Street Pharmacist]

I'm not able to watch so I appreciate the news. I wonder what was said?

[nik-]

What about all the non calls?

[hockey.modern]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

I'm not able to watch so I appreciate the news. I wonder what was said?

Elliott Friedman just mentioning the so called "Wideman Conspiracy" and how one of the referees gave him a call because he was not happy about the perception put on the referees of how they are targeting the Flames. Mentions that the league and Flames sat down together to go through every penalty taken by the Flames.

[Yrebmi]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

I'm not able to watch so I appreciate the news. I wonder what was said?

They just sorta off hand mentioned they sat down and showed where each instance was a penalty.

As already posted - it's the non parity in the calls or non calls that may be more the issue. IMO anyway

[Enoch Root]

Whether or not the calls against the Flames were penalties is moot - any potential infraction could be argued to be a penalty.

The issue has to do with the propensity with which penalties are called against the Flames.

The simple fact of the matter is that there are far, far more actual infractions than there are penalties, and it is entirely at the referees' discretion as to which ones are called.

And there is ample evidence that the number of calls on the Flames is imbalanced vs the number against their opponents.

[MarkGio]

To me, it's a call vs. non-call examination. Gaudreau gets chopped at until his hand is broken without a call, and Bennett tries to lift a stick a sloppy and he's in the box.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

I think they need to sit down and talk about this again. I'm not convinced of impartiality at all.

[Mony]

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[stemit14]

People are trying to figure out why gaudreau has not put up as much points this year. Could also be part of the wideman effect. Before the wideman incident, the flames were one of the least penalized teams in the league pretty much since gaudreau started with the team. Since that incodent, the flames are the most penalized team in the league.

That means night after night of gaudreau having to sit for extended periods of time while penalties are killed. Hard for offensive skills to get into sync when that happens.

Coincidentally, both frolik and backlund have flourished offensively since then. They play more minutes due to wing the primary penalty killers. Keeps them fresh in the game.

It is ridiculous how the league and refs have responded since the wideman incident. It's embarrassing to the league.


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[Classic_Sniper]

Difference in Power Play Opportunities vs Minor Penalties Taken.


Pre-Wideman Incident (2014-15 - 82 games):

PP Opps = 255
MP Taken = 216
= Difference of +39

Pre-Wideman Incident (2015-16 - 47 Games)

PP Opps = 151
MP Taken = 123
= Difference of +28


After Wideman Incident (2015-16 - Without Tkachuk or Brouwer in line up - 35 Games)

PP Opps = 119
MP Taken = 135
= Difference of -16


After Wideman Incident (2016-17 - With New Additions - 58.5 Games)

PP Opps = 192
MP Taken = 248
= Difference of -56


This current Flames team is on pace for '-78' for a penalty differential which based on all the figures that I have compiled, it seems extremely uncharacteristic of a historically positive penalty differential team. So even though the Flames have drawn more penalties, it doesn't matter as they're still receiving considerably more minors then the historical statistics would indicate. There may or may not be a conspiracy at hand, but regardless, the facts may point to something suspicious in nature.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by stemit14

People are trying to figure out why gaudreau has not put up as much points this year. Could also be part of the wideman effect. Before the wideman incident, the flames were one of the least penalized teams in the league pretty much since gaudreau started with the team. Since that incodent, the flames are the most penalized team in the league.

That means night after night of gaudreau having to sit for extended periods of time while penalties are killed. Hard for offensive skills to get into sync when that happens.

Coincidentally, both frolik and backlund have flourished offensively since then. They play more minutes due to wing the primary penalty killers. Keeps them fresh in the game.

It is ridiculous how the league and refs have responded since the wideman incident. It's embarrassing to the league.


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Not to mention that last year when guys slashed, held, interfered with, hooked down Gaudreau it was called. That is not happening at all this year. Teams have noticed they can do whatever they want to him and nothing will be called.

[puffnstuff]

There seems to be a much larger number of what should be penalties on the opposition that are not called, thats the problem more than the penalties the Flames take. Tre needs to re-frame the conversation with the NHL. Maybe some tape from tonights game should go with him.

[Aeneas]

Watched the Oiler v Flyer game. If Larsson played for the Flames he would have had 3 penalties on his first 2 shifts.

If the refs treated us the way the Oilers get treated we'd be battling for first.

[Oil Stain]

Originally Posted by puffnstuff

There seems to be a much larger number of what should be penalties on the opposition that are not called, thats the problem more than the penalties the Flames take. Tre needs to re-frame the conversation with the NHL. Maybe some tape from tonights game should go with him.

Flames are 5th in the NHL in PP opportunities.

I don't think you can make a complaint that other teams aren't getting called enough.

[Enoch Root]

Oil Stain, read post #12

From +0.5 per game to -0.9 per game

Instantly

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

Flames are 5th in the NHL in PP opportunities.

I don't think you can make a complaint that other teams aren't getting called enough.

Sure, the Flames may draw a lot of penalties as well, however the Flames overall since the Wideman incident are at an extreme negative in net pp opportunities/penalties taken. Tkachuk takes a lot of players to the box with him so that has increased the Flames' pp opportunities, but does not alter the discrepancy between pp opportunities vs penalties taken.

[djsFlames]

The 5 minute "spear" + misconduct for a stick tap wednesday (even Flyers fans were collectively scratching their heads)

Then 4 minute for Versteeg showing a little attitude and the single PP on Brouwer for a scrum that also included a Canuck participant.

It's getting a bit ridiculous.

We swear we're trying to get rid of Wideman, refs, just take it easy.

You'd swear the Flames were the pesky Bruins with the number of penalties (and severity) that they receive lately.

[btimbit]

Whatever they did at this meeting, it didn't work