[Rumour] Brooks: Flames & Jets have contacted Rangers with regards to Raanta

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Kipper_3434

Johnson has a healthy number of starts as a backup. Perhaps....no he doesn't have a good goalie name....Needs more vowels

I lost a lot of confidence in Johnson down the stretch. He just didn't look good.

[Kipper_3434]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I lost a lot of confidence in Johnson down the stretch. He just didn't look good.

He was rusty. His career shows he needs to play regularly to be fantastic. Sitting Johnson was a necessary evil but probably hurt in the long run.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I lost a lot of confidence in Johnson down the stretch. He just didn't look good.

I think they need to bring Johnson back regardless - he's a solid 1B goalie who can give you 30 really solid games no problem. He can take over for a month or so and hold the fort.

I just want a guy we can run out for 60-65 games a year without thinking about it. Is that so much to ask?

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Kipper_3434

He was rusty. His career shows he needs to play regularly to be fantastic. Sitting Johnson was a necessary evil but probably hurt in the long run.

But he's going to be the backup if he's re-signed. By definition he won't be playing regularly. Last year he played more than, for example, Raanta.

He played the better part of three games in a row in December and wasn't good (this was right before Elliott heated up). In February/March he was playing as much as any backup and wasn't good.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Was going to say this. The Flames are looking for a number one goalie, not a backup. Which means you use a guy who's been a number one already (MAF/Smith) or a backup who might be ready to make the move (Raanta/Grubauer/Pickard/Mrazek...) The Canes have done the latter with Darling.

To that point, Raanta has more games than 3 of those goalies (17 more than Darling, 29 more than Grubauer and 9 more than Pickard). Mrazek has been a starter for 2 seasons now, but had around 50 games less than Raanta when the Wings made him the #1. Raanta also has 38 more games than Talbot had when the Oilers made him the #1 and about 60 games more than Martin Jones had when San Jose made him the starter.

Based on games played and results, Raanta is as ready as can be to take the next step. Maybe it doesn't work out, but it's worth a shot.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Kipper_3434

He was rusty. His career shows he needs to play regularly to be fantastic. Sitting Johnson was a necessary evil but probably hurt in the long run.

He was awful. Worse than Elliott. The only upside of bringing him back would be that the Flames could likely bring him in on the cheap but we are talking low ceiling with Johnson.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

He was awful. Worse than Elliott. The only upside of bringing him back would be that the Flames could likely bring him in on the cheap but we are talking low ceiling with Johnson.

Was that the same "low ceiling" that single-handedly saved our season in October, November, and even into December where he put the team on his back as they were figuring out how to play Gulutzan's system?

Jesus...he had a rough stretch. It doesn't mean he's a terrible goalie.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

Was that the same "low ceiling" that single-handedly saved our season in October, November, and even into December where he put the team on his back as they were figuring out how to play Gulutzan's system?

Jesus...he had a rough stretch. It doesn't mean he's a terrible goalie.

When Elliott struggled to start the season there's no arguing he had a nice stretch of ten games from late November into December. After that his game really went downhill. I fully realize some fans here have a soft spot for him but Elliott provided the heavy lifting in the 2nd half of the season as the team made its move from non-playoff to playoff team and fans want to run him out of town so if that's the way it is for Elliott then I think it's fair to point out Johnson was worse.

I think we all found out why Johnson has been a career backup and that's because the consistency isn't there so when I say the ceiling is low I mean there's not a lot of upside in that he's a placeholder not a guy like that's going to challenge for a starting job.

[sureLoss]

Since Kevin Klein was brought up in this thread, Brooks says Klein may retire due to persistent back issues:

http://nypost.com/2017/06/13/rangers...rd-retirement/

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

Was that the same "low ceiling" that single-handedly saved our season in October, November, and even into December where he put the team on his back as they were figuring out how to play Gulutzan's system?

Jesus...he had a rough stretch. It doesn't mean he's a terrible goalie.

His rough stretch was mid December to the end of the season. I was really starting to think he could be the number one during his hot streak, but IMO his glove hand really got exposed in the second half.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by indes

Is there any team more reluctant to play their in house defenseman? It's like 'well you came up for a few games and weren't top 4 material, enjoy your time in the AHL.'

The Flames aren't great at developing defencemen. But the fact is most defencemen need 2-3 years of development in the AHL before they get a serious look in the NHL. People talk about Anaheim's defence, but Manson, Montour, and Vatanen all played in the AHL until they were 23. It's premature to be pencilling in Kylington or Andersson at this point.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Kulak, Rasmus, Wotherspoon and Kylington are going to have to all suck horribly next camp for two of them not to be on the opening night roster IMO.

Not the Flames MO, imo. They will add a top four defenseman from outside the organization and then closer to the season will likely add a bottom pairing defenseman from outside the organization.

They always add a depth NHL D-man. Then it will be similar to every other year where it ends up being very difficult for a prospect to actually stick on the big club.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by jayswin

Not the Flames MO, imo. They will add a top four defenseman from outside the organization and then closer to the season will likely add a bottom pairing defenseman from outside the organization.

They always add a depth NHL D-man. Then it will be similar to every other year where it ends up being very difficult for a prospect to actually stick on the big club.

Gio
Hamilton
Brodie
Stone (or comparable)
Bartkowski
1 more vet depth RHD

I could be wrong, but IMO that's all they bring in, and have the guys I mentioned fight it out with Bart and the depth RHD for spots 5 thru 7.

[StrykerSteve]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

The Flames aren't great at developing defencemen. But the fact is most defencemen need 2-3 years of development in the AHL before they get a serious look in the NHL. People talk about Anaheim's defence, but Manson, Montour, and Vatanen all played in the AHL until they were 23. It's premature to be pencilling in Kylington or Andersson at this point.

That's not exactly true. Manson and Vatanen both played less then one season in the AHL before they were called up. Montour played 3 seasons before he got the call. If I was targeting anyone, it would be Montour.

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Which according to the article the Rangers are in the process of signing one of Fast, Lindberg, or Puempel to an extension, but their agents have taken a hardline stance realizing the Rangers need them to satisfy the expansion requirements. Given the stiff penalties for not meeting the requirements and potentially letting Hayes go for free, they will likely cave to one of those guys.

According to the article they are going to let Pirri go unqualified.

The Rangers have signed Puempel to a 1 year deal giving them the necessary forwards to meet the minimum requirements and protect Hayes.

[dammage79]

Shocked, Either Fast or Lindbergh would be solid targets for LV. Not many good young Forwards out there. Sure they may be middle line forwards, but Fast had a solid breakout in the playoffs.

[sureLoss]

Boomer on 960 says he is hearing the Rangers asking price for Raanta is very high right now.

He is also hearing that the Rangers are trying to make a deal with Vegas so they don't lose Raanta in the expansion draft.

[Toonage]

Welp.

Sign a UFA?
Lose that pick and re-sign Elliott?
Put your 1stOA in play and package for Raanta?

[Lil Pedro]

If we can't get Raanta or MAF, ill take back Elliott. He will be relatively cheap which will allow us to invest more in a #4 and a RW. Tre still has a year to acquire a third rounder from another team to make up for the compensation lost for resigning Elliott. I could also see the Flames moving up in the draft to acquire either another pick in rounds 2 or 3 this year, or something next year.

[Vinny01]

Mason over Elliott all day