Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by stickman

it blows my mind that anyone would vote for trudeau liberals, canadians must like to suffer.

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[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by StickMan

It blows my mind that anyone would vote for Trudeau liberals, Canadians must like to suffer.

What is PP going to do that is going to make them “suffer” less?

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by StickMan

It blows my mind that anyone would vote for Trudeau liberals, Canadians must like to suffer.

90% of the suffering I have endured in my lifetime is by my own hand. I refuse to play the victim in politics. JT is a wanker, but don't lose the plot, life is fundamentally good in N/A with a few exceptions.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

What is PP going to do that is going to make them “suffer” less?

That's the thing with shallow populist ideas. You don't actually have to have a plan. Shout "Justinflation!"over and over until your rubes are in line. The goal isn't to deliver anything, it's to claim power.

[flamesfever]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

That's the thing with shallow populist ideas. You don't actually have to have a plan. Shout "Justinflation!"over and over until your rubes are in line. The goal isn't to deliver anything, it's to claim power.

Yes but you have to claim power before you can deliver anything.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by flamesfever

Yes but you have to claim power before you can deliver anything.

Used to be you'd try to claim power by laying out what you'd deliver, wasn't it?

[calculoso]

Originally Posted by flamesfever

Yes but you have to claim power before you can deliver anything.

Not true. He can work with the Liberals to have joint Conservative/Liberal bills and policies, just like the Liberals/NDP are doing for Dental coverage (and nobody is giving the Liberals any credit for it). If he wanted to contribute and not just oppose, he could.

[flamesfever]

Why would the Conservatives give away their plan 3 years before an election.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by flamesfever

Why would the Conservatives give away their plan 3 years before an election.

I don’t think they have a plan right now.

[flamesfever]

Originally Posted by calculoso

Not true. He can work with the Liberals to have joint Conservative/Liberal bills and policies, just like the Liberals/NDP are doing for Dental coverage (and nobody is giving the Liberals any credit for it). If he wanted to contribute and not just oppose, he could.

I think the gap between the Conservative and Liberals is too wide to see them working together, particularly as is pertains to resource development and spending.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by flamesfever

Why would the Conservatives give away their plan 3 years before an election.

...why wouldn't they?

You're saying that instead of the official opposition not having a plan on how they would lead this country, which is bad enough, they actually do have a plan and... are keeping it a secret?

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by flamesfever

Why would the Conservatives give away their plan 3 years before an election.

"Let's not tell anyone what we're doing until after we're handed power".

$$$

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by flamesfever

I think the gap between the Conservative and Liberals is too wide to see them working together, particularly as is pertains to resource development and spending.

What exactly are you expecting them to do to address resource development? The biggest issue there seems to stem from land use and who is in control of said land. Do you honestly think the conservatives are going be able to overrule the courts on those matters?

[timun]

Conservatives, uh, find a way... </Goldbluming>

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by flamesfever

Yes but you have to claim power before you can deliver anything.

Why would they ever want to claim power?

[StickMan]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

What exactly are you expecting them to do to address resource development? The biggest issue there seems to stem from land use and who is in control of said land. Do you honestly think the conservatives are going be able to overrule the courts on those matters?

The Trudeau liberals pretty much kill any kind of investment in Canada with harmful bills. Have there been any major projects proposed or approved since 2015? The Trudeau liberals have made Canada a confusing and uncertain place to invest in, especially in the energy sector.

[Fuzz]

In fairness, he does have a plan:

1. Require municipal governments of “severely unaffordable” big cities to increase homebuilding by 15% annually or have a portion of their federal funding withheld (municipalities with less than 500,000 people will be completely exempt) and bring in penalties for big city governments—those with over a half-million people—for egregious cases of NIMBYism and gatekeeping
2. Grant municipalities $10,000 per home on all growth in their home building, paid out only after the units are built and occupied.
3. Require municipalities seeking federal funds for major transit projects to pre-approve building permits for high-density housing and employment on all available land around stations.
4. Sell sell off 15% of the federal government’s 37,000 buildings with covenants requiring they become affordable housing.
5. Prevent the federal government from creating cash to fund government deficits. That will end the inflationary bubbles that the central bank has helped to create in the housing market.

https://www.pierre4pm.ca/poilievre_w...nd_build_homes

Now, is the plan any good? 1 is weird because it seems cities will get punished for market forces out of their control? Are they supposed to bribe home builders if financially it doesn't make sense, lest PP, uhm, fine them? It doesn't seem fully thought through.

2 doesn't even make sense. Is that a sentence we are supposed to understand? "per home on all growth in their home building". What? If he means on homes built in addition to some other number, how do you even measure this? YoY changes? I'm baffled.

3 Not the worst idea in the list.

4 There it is! Sell of federal properties. How many of these would actually make sense to convert to homes? Probably very very few.

5 is economic hogwash and more evidence he doesn't understated what he is taking about.

[Roughneck]

Originally Posted by flamesfever

Why would the Conservatives give away their plan 3 years before an election.

Are they worried the Liberals will steal it and implement it?

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

That's the thing with shallow populist ideas. You don't actually have to have a plan. Shout "Justinflation!"over and over until your rubes are in line. The goal isn't to deliver anything, it's to claim power.

And the Liberals’ goal isn’t to hold onto power/gain it when they’re out of office?

Inflation is a very real concern. If it’s still a concern by the next election, the Liberals are screwed.

Politics is most effective when it fits on a bumper sticker or a hat. Unfortunate, but it is.

“Yes we can”. “Hope and Change”. “MAGA”.

“Eliminate the deficit, eradicate the debt” didn’t work because it was too long. “RE-FORRRRRM” would’ve been a stronger play.

“Justinflation” is a tough bomb to dodge, so it’s incumbent on the PM and co to get that under control.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by StickMan

The Trudeau liberals pretty much kill any kind of investment in Canada with harmful bills. Have there been any major projects proposed or approved since 2015? The Trudeau liberals have made Canada a confusing and uncertain place to invest in, especially in the energy sector.

Uhm, yes? Just Alberta here:

https://majorprojects.alberta.ca/#list/