[Rumour] Dreger: Markstrom trade won't happen unless NJ includes Mercer and higher draft pick

[MacDaddy77]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

It might be the Inverse Peter Principle at work:

If you're competent, you stay in your job.

If you're incompetent, you get kicked upstairs to a level where no one will notice.

‘OK, Fitz, you're now the full-time POHO. Your job is to watch this phone. It's a hot line to our new GM. Don't call him, he'll call you. If he does call you – don't answer!’

Made me laugh just because of the BBC interview video

[getbak]

Originally Posted by dgibb10

To make things very clear. Fitzgerald's job is not in jeopardy in any way.

If he trades 22 year old Dawson Mercer for 34 year old Jacob Markstrom. It certainly will be.

Mercer has not and will not be on the table

Then neither is Markstrom.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by dgibb10

To make things very clear. Fitzgerald's job is not in jeopardy in any way.

If he trades 22 year old Dawson Mercer for 34 year old Jacob Markstrom. It certainly will be.

Mercer has not and will not be on the table

The Devils are good with missing the playoffs. They made them last year and had their goaltending get pumped in the second round. I am sure you are correct.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

The Devils are good with missing the playoffs. They made them last year and had their goaltending get pumped in the second round. I am sure you are correct.

The guy just joined and has 1 post, probably a hopeful Oilers fan.

[dgibb10]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

And you know this how?

If you think logically, or simply look at how historically goaltenders are valued in trades. Then look at how productive young ELCs are valued (or even unproductive ones).

Kirby Dach with a career high of 9 goals got 13th overall+a 3rd.

Cory Schneider is the peak of goaltender values in the last decade. He was 26 years old, and over the 3 years before the trade, here were his ranks. He got 9th overall

GAA: 1st
SV% 1st
GSAx/60: 2nd (Large gap between him and 3rd)
Total GSAx: 4th

And we can look at historical trends in goalies. NHL GMs show how they value Goalies in 3 ways. Trades, Draft picks, and salary.

They are getting less and less money (See: Helle, Sorokin deals)
Going later and later in drafts
and getting smaller and smaller trade returns.

[midniteowl]

Originally Posted by dgibb10

To make things very clear. Fitzgerald's job is not in jeopardy in any way.

If he trades 22 year old Dawson Mercer for 34 year old Jacob Markstrom. It certainly will be.

Mercer has not and will not be on the table

Thanks Josh.

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by dgibb10

To make things very clear. Fitzgerald's job is not in jeopardy in any way.

If he trades 22 year old Dawson Mercer for 34 year old Jacob Markstrom. It certainly will be.

Mercer has not and will not be on the table

BS.

If Fitz throws away a season because he did not trade from a position of strength (centres) to close a gap in a position of disaster (goaltending) then he will very likely get fired.

Not only does he waste a full season of his core, he also has to wear the massive contract that he signed Meier to, as well as acquiring Toffoli for this season (and now trading him away).

It's not just the fans or owners who are calling him out, his own star players are talking to the media about it.

Also, Mercer comes off of his ELC this year and is going to expect a raise. It is going to be very hard to say that he doesn't deserve the money after saying he is too valuable to trade away.

[dgibb10]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

The Devils are good with missing the playoffs. They made them last year and had their goaltending get pumped in the second round. I am sure you are correct.

Is Markstrom a guarantee of the playoffs or playoff success??

I'd argue he was a reason Calgary missed the playoffs 2 of the last 4 years. And the year he did make it he got absolutely shelled by the oilers.

And those were his age 30-33 years. Age 34-36 likely is worse, not better

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

What's going to help the Devils more at this juncture..

Keeping and developing Mercer (who's going to be behind Hughes and Hischier no matter what) or getting a .920 goalie between the pipes.

Lol.

They're welcome to pass up playoffs in favour of keeping their goldmine of young forwards intact but they'll just remain a bubble team with a goldmine of young forwards for the foreseeable future if they keep that their top priority.

NJ approached the Flames. #### or get off the pot, Fitzgerald.

[Braden]

I doubt Markstrom gets Mercer + a 1st. Higher pick doesn't necessarily mean a first. The way all these trades have gone I just don't see it. Holtz and a first possibly, but even then... Just don't want to be disappointed again. I'll be happy if he gets traded regardless the return, just quit getting my hopes up again!

[dgibb10]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

What's going to help the Devils more at this juncture..

Keeping and developing Mercer (who's going to be behind Hughes and Hischier no matter what) or getting a .920 goalie between the pipes.

Lol.

They're welcome to pass up playoffs in favour of keeping their goldmine of young forwards intact but they'll just remain a bubble team with a goldmine of young forwards for the foreseeable future if they keep that their top priority.

NJ approached the Flames. #### or get off the pot, Fitzgerald.

Keeping a 22 year old with cost control will be more helpful

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by dgibb10

If you think logically, or simply look at how historically goaltenders are valued in trades. Then look at how productive young ELCs are valued (or even unproductive ones).

Kirby Dach with a career high of 9 goals got 13th overall+a 3rd.

Cory Schneider is the peak of goaltender values in the last decade. He was 26 years old, and over the 3 years before the trade, here were his ranks. He got 9th overall

GAA: 1st
SV% 1st
GSAx/60: 2nd (Large gap between him and 3rd)
Total GSAx: 4th

And we can look at historical trends in goalies. NHL GMs show how they value Goalies in 3 ways. Trades, Draft picks, and salary.

They are getting less and less money (See: Helle, Sorokin deals)
Going later and later in drafts
and getting smaller and smaller trade returns.

Corey Schneider was traded at the draft, in the off season, a long time ago. The market is constantly changing. That is why a guy like Ben Chariot got such a big return yet Tanev could not. The market fluctuates, you can't compare the market years ago to today's market. You also shouldn't make definitive statements like Mercer will not be on the table because you don't know what the other perimeters of a deal could be or what is being discussed.

[Zulu29]

Originally Posted by dgibb10

Is Markstrom a guarantee of the playoffs or playoff success??

I'd argue he was a reason Calgary missed the playoffs 2 of the last 4 years. And the year he did make it he got absolutely shelled by the oilers.

And those were his age 30-33 years. Age 34-36 likely is worse, not better

Oilers fan or Devils fan?

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by dgibb10

Keeping a 22 year old with cost control will be more helpful

[FlamesFan1000]

Idk how the devils will pay everyone soon. May as well use this window of cheap ELC to get Marky. They gotta pay Luke Hughes, Simon Nemec, Mercer?, Holtz. All while having contracts like Dougie, Jack, Meier eating 30 million almost.

[Enoch Root]

welcome back Spurs!

[JurassicTunga12]

Originally Posted by dgibb10

Is Markstrom a guarantee of the playoffs or playoff success??

I'd argue he was a reason Calgary missed the playoffs 2 of the last 4 years. And the year he did make it he got absolutely shelled by the oilers.

And those were his age 30-33 years. Age 34-36 likely is worse, not better

Don't ignore the Dallas series.

[midniteowl]

Originally Posted by Braden

I doubt Markstrom gets Mercer + a 1st. Higher pick doesn't necessarily mean a first. The way all these trades have gone I just don't see it. Holtz and a first possibly, but even then... Just don't want to be disappointed again. I'll be happy if he gets traded regardless the return, just quit getting my hopes up again!

So if they traded Markstrom for boatload of crap, you can come back and whine and bemoan about the crappy return? Is this how the game goes?

[dgibb10]

Originally Posted by Wolven

BS.

If Fitz throws away a season because he did not trade from a position of strength (centres) to close a gap in a position of disaster (goaltending) then he will very likely get fired.

Not only does he waste a full season of his core, he also has to wear the massive contract that he signed Meier to, as well as acquiring Toffoli for this season (and now trading him away).

It's not just the fans or owners who are calling him out, his own star players are talking to the media about it.

Also, Mercer comes off of his ELC this year and is going to expect a raise. It is going to be very hard to say that he doesn't deserve the money after saying he is too valuable to trade away.

The only fans who want Fitzgerald fired are flames fans.

You don't trade away Cs for Gs. That's the most valuable position for the least valuable position. And with Michael McLeod gone the Devils need to keep their Cs.

Buyers do not sell young, cost controlled guys getting 17+ minutes a night. It is counterintuitive to take away from your roster

[PaperBagger'14]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

The guy just joined and has 1 post, probably a hopeful Oilers fan.

We did have a ton of new people join the board last night so maybe give him some rope first.